Meeting_2005-06-13

Meeting setup

Date: 13.06.2005
Time: 10.00 Norw. time
Place: Wherever we are : -)
Tools: Phone, iChat, SubEthaEdit

Agenda

Opening, agenda review
Reviewing the task list from a week ago
Documentation - divvun.no
Corpus gathering
Corpus infrastructure
Linguistics
Term db
Other issues
Summary, task lists
Closing

1. Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 10.00. Agenda accepted as is.

Present: Børre, Maaren, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Main secretary: Tomi

2. Reviewing the task list from the last meeting

Børre

Contact Kevin Scannell of an Crúbadán fame, ask if we can use his north sami material.
- We can get his material as either a word list, or a sentence-wise corpus
- He wanted to continue the cooperation (initiated last year, it seems)
Contact Roy Dragseth about cvs-mailing
- He will do it this week
Work on divvun.no
- Waiting for Tomcat to be upgraded
- Sysadm back from vacation today
Continue http: //giellatekno.uit.no conversion to forrest ...
- Not a lot of work has been done, but an alpha version is running.
Contact Svenska bibelsällskapet
- Nothing done
Add issue to forrest issue tracker about utf-8 ihtml documents.
- Check for existing bug reports, it might already be in there
  - Nothing done
Continue forrest i18n research
- Sometimes abides the =locale=se/smj/fi in the url (the document gets translated). The menus and tabs are translated to the language that the browser asks for.
- Will contact che-che who is actively pursuing i18n in forrest.

Maaren:

continue missing list on tuesday and thursday this week
find and prepare issues for the language board meeting okei
translate Helsinki contract into rough Norwegian; send it to Sjur, then lawyer
- Asked Elli-Kirsti Nystad to do the translation and she has promised to translate it into Norwegian

Sjur:

Check the translation of the Helsinki contract with Maaren; forward the task to Trond if not yet assigned
- n/a
Ask Anne-Britt to update the contract with the University (we are getting 3, not 2, persons there from the fall)
- not yet done
write the LIST option to our test tools, as requested in the discussion group.
- not done
complete the action summary after our half-year evaluation
- not done
fix risten.no bugs
- Took most of the week, many fixes, 9 open.
contact Kimmo Koskenniemi about kwic-snt and UTF-8 bug
- not done. We all miss it.
voice group-chat not working to Sámediggi
- Leif Åge has been on vacation
add i18n bug to Forrest issue tracker
- not done
add i18n menu as feature request to Forrest issue tracker
- not done

Thomas:

Begin to prepare issues to giellalávdegotti čoahkkin
- Prepared issues and sent draft to Maaren
Present issues in dicussion forum
- Done
Finish the work on verb valency
- Finished - Congratulations!!!
Start to look at Lule Sámi
- Started

Tomi:

Start looking at the smj infrastructure, turn it into utf-8, look at whether updates and improvements done for sme should be done for smj as well, in order to get a uniform infrastructure.
- Done
update catxml to remove sections in unwanted language(s)
- Some problems getting the removal to work
Look into shortening of three-part compounds, middle part
- nothing done
decapitalisation of proper nouns when (if?) compounded, and when derived (the oslolaš issue)
- nothing done

Trond

translate Helsinki contract into rough Norwegian; send it to Sjur, then to lawyer
- Totally forgotten. Did I ever receive it?
  - No, I decided to wait till Maaren was back, which was good, since she had already given the task to someone else
- Worked on linguistics, on bugs, to a certain extent on documentation.

All:

The www.divvun.no release.
The Bugzilla bugs, and a quip or two?
continue the discussion on the language policy of divvun.no in the newsgroup, esp. re the open questions:
- How much in 5 languages?
- Size of general public info: Trond: only a few paragraphs - about the project, and the language policy of the site. More specifically, it should include:
  - what the divvun project is
  - why it is made, by whom, on whose decision
  - what we make, (why we do not make sma)
  - how we make it
  - how, when, and for whom it eventually will be used, and on what terms and price
  - an explanation of our lg policy, and a good set of links.
- should news be in all languages? What about RSS feeds from Forrest?

3. Documentation - divvun.no

Deadline 22.6.

Børre will be the main responsible for getting it all in place till the deadline.

Things required before the opening:

Press release text, conforming to what we actually release (in 3 languages? More?)
divvun.no front pages up and running, with a nice look and interlinking in place, as site-generated pages.
front page and general info in all languages
general outline of the project, with deliveries and main timetable
giellatekno.uit.no front pages up and running, with a nice look and interlinking in place, as site-generated pages.
The actual content of the documentation, our common child, should be gone through with the forthcoming public release in mind.

Requirements for the opening:

i18n in place? What if we can't get it to work? Subtabs for each language. The submenus must follow the language of the subtabs.
frontpage contains the points outlined at the last meeting. Cf. this list:
- Information in 5 languages (sme, smj, nob, fin, eng)
- Size of general public info: only a few paragraphs. It should include:
  - what the divvun project is
  - why it is made, by whom, on whose decision
  - organization (project board, part of GIO, with UiT, what else?)
  - how, when, and for whom it eventually will be used, and on what terms and price
  - what we make
  - why we do not make sma (background on separate page, in nob and sme)
  - timetable (separate page, all langs.)
  - how we make it (separate page, all langs)
  - an explanation of our lg policy (separate page, all)
  - a good set of links, incl our own newsfeed (RSS)

The separate pages:

The intro page (all lgs)
sma (in nob and sme)
timetable (all langs.)
how we make it (all langs)
an explanation of our lg policy (all lgs)

Deadlines:

all docs, orig lang: Wednesday, 15.6.
translations: Friday, 17.6.
Alpha site (Tomcat running, present version of the site): Wednesday, 15.6.
Beta site (all docs in place): Monday, 20.6.
QA, checking links, i18n, content etc.: Tuesday, 21.6.
Opening: Wednesday, 22.6.

Authoring

The intro page: Sjur x5
sma omission background: Trond x2
timetable: Sjur x5
how we make it: Børre x5
an explanation of our lg policy: Sjur x5

Translations

The files will be written in nob, and made available via cvs, in xtdocs/sd/.../xdocs/

eng: Sjur, others?
sme: Børre (Maaren proofreads)
smj: Thomas, proofread by e.g. Kåre Tjikkom
fin: Maaren

Files

Børre will make document stubs in the correct places, with the correct filenames. Today! (right after the meeting:-).

4. Corpus gathering

The license contract is being translated. Maaren will check today whether it is finished.

5. Corpus infrastructure

catxml: some problems with section extraction/deletion. Tomi will continue the work on it.

We need routines for handling other formats than Microsoft Word:

Clean text
html
pdf, if possible
ideosyncratic formats

6. Linguistics

We should postpone the substantial issues to after the divvun release. The bug list should still be followed.

7. Term db / risten.no

Preparing the release, solving bugs.

8. Other issues

Bugzilla for sme and smj parsers.

When we set up Bugzilla, we didn't think of the fact that there would be two languages in this project, sme and smj, and more in the future. Now, smj bugs must be included. The question is, should we have smj and sme as top components ("products" in the Bugzilla terminology), or as bottom options in the decision tree ("component (of product)", in the Bugzilla terminology)?

Here comes an overview of status quo, with the sme/smj relevance indicated.

Corpus
- smj
- sme
Disambiguation
- sme disambiguation rules
- smj disambiguation rules
Documentation
- no point in distinguishing between sme and smj here (?), as the lang catalogue is a small part of the documentation anyway; most of the doc catalogue is lg independent.
Hyphenation
- Language division postponed
Infrastructure
- lg-independent
Lexicon
- sme lexicon
- smj lexicon
Morphophonology
- sme grammar
- smj grammar
Preprocessor
- The preprocess file is language independent. The files abbr.txt are language dependent.
risten.no
- N/A
Spell checking
- We postpone the inner structure of this one, and the question on whether it should be one product or not.
Test
- Largely language independent.
Tools (Programs other than the analysers and the preprocessors)
- Language independent.

Suggestion: bottom level (components). Agreed.

The sme/smj issue will be handled as indicated, by splitting products according to language when required, i.e. mainly in the linguistic products.

Language(s) of RSS Newsfeed

Forrest can generate RSS news for us, which we will use to broadcast project events. What should the language be? What should the content be, ie the type of events that we publish this way?

Language
- Interested persons and institutions: e.g. Audun Lona, project board, Skuvlalinux, all beta testers
- If monolingual: nob or sme? If multilingual
  - sme for linguistic issues, sme and nob for other issues
Content Type
- Major updates to the docs
- test releases (Alpha, Beta, etc.)
- ...

To be decided by next meeting at latest. We (Børre/Sjur) need to find out what is possible in Forrest.

9. Summary, task list