Meeting_2008-02-25

• Date: 25.2.2008
• Time: 09.30 Norw. time
• Place: Internet
• Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

• the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
• the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opened at 09: 43.

Present: Børre, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi

Absent: Maaren, Trond

Agenda accepted as is.

Børre

• start to reorganise the documentation
• gather sma texts
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
  • had to disable pdf link, forrest crashes when it's available. Investigating the reason for the crash.
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
• Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • Derivation is implemented, but not tested, due to technical difficulties building the hunspell lexicons
• investigate the NSIS installer
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper
• fix bugs!

Lene

• Ped project
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper

Maaren

• Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document
• update the Changes document

Per-Eric

• check some unusual and missing words from the last Olavi missing list
  • Worked and still working, ready in a few days
• keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
  • Nothing new from them
• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly
  • Contacted some, but nothing which we can start to work with yet. Nord-Salten avis, Matto Tuoljas daughter Lena Davidsson.
• fix bugs!
  • Fixed smj bug 495

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

• start to reorganise the documentation
• gather sma texts
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
• check the present sma sources
  • done
• name db/risten.no
  • worked on it
• investigate the NSIS installer
• make a first sma project plan
  • partially done, as part of the Snåsa presentation, not finished
• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper
  • done, not finished
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • not much done
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper
  • not participating
• fix bugs!
  • not much done

Tomi

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper
• fix double hyphen bugs
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Report the smesmj project
  • Done
• Start working on the samdoc talk
  • Working, working
• sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources
  • Hmm, does not remember this issue.
• Reorganise documentation (with Børre and Sjur)
  • Not done
• Gather sma texts (with Børre and Sjur)
  • Not done
• Look at the sma source files (with Sjur)
  • Huge progress here. Now verbs included, in principle.
• Name lexicon project: Test editing xml files (when they are ready for it)

• Make a first sma project plan
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper
• fix bugs!.

TODO:

• Setting up the user documentation with an external address, and cross-reference via tabs to giellatekno and divvun. (Børre)
  • done
• get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
• More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postpone until later

List of topics, authors and presenters (*):

• corpinfra -> Saara* Sjur Børre
• testinfra -> Saara Sjur* Lene
• makeinfra -> Saara* Sjur
• gramm -> Lene* Trond
• ped -> Lene* Trond
• MT -> Trond*
• spell -> Sjur*
• docu -> Børre*
• corpcontent -> Lene, Børre
• new lgs -> Trond*

10 topis in 45 mins = 4,5 mins on each topic.

Dry test presentation on Wednesday afternoon? Sjur is arriving at 11 at the airport, Trond has a meeting at 14. Perhaps after the meeting, to allow some time to write the final bits of the presentation first? At 16, 17 roughly.

TODO:

• Presentation of our work
  • Basic tools (Sjur, Trond)
  • Applications (Lene, Sjur)
  • Corpus infrastructure (Børre, Saara, Sjur)
  • Overall infrastructure ("Makefile") (Sjur, Tomi)
• Plans for future work (Sjur, Trond)
• Relevance for other projects
  • Standard written language texts (Trond)
  • Existing written dialect texts (Lene, Trond)
  • Existing dialect recordings (Lene)
• Turn the text into slides (samdoc08.tex into samdoc08-sem.tex (Trond)

TODO:

• start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

TODO:

• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm ( Per-Eric)
• gather sma texts (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
• Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki ( Maaren)

TODO:

• add Jabber account in iChat (all)
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look (Børre, Sjur, Tomi)
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support - permanent chat rooms, project calendar(s), wiki? (Børre, Sjur)

North Sámi

Hyphenation bugs still there, now properly documented by the improved test bench.

Lule Sámi

Hyphenation: same as for sme.

TODO:

• sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
• Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

done:

• Tomi has added a lot of verbs (1512)
• Joseph is hunting for sma texts at SD

TODO:

• check the present sources (Sjur, Trond)

TODO:

1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
   1. it works ok locally, set-up / config needs to be checked on the G5; probably easy to fix
      1. looked at it
2. fix display in column 3 (Sjur)
   1. it works in Firefox and other Mozilla-based browsers; not in Safari and other Webkit-based browsers
      1. looked at it
3. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
4. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
5. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
6. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
7. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
8. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
9. start to use the xml file as source file
10. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
11. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
12. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
13. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
14. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Hunspell

The %> marker does not survive into Hunspell to work as a boundary marker, despite being defined as %> for the Hunspell version.

TODO:

1. debug the missing > marker - the problem is on the Java side (Børre, Tomi)
2. add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme
3. fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme
4. return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix
5. integrate the derivations as separate "continuation lexicons"

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

• Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
• test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-01-31

• 425 - roman number - will not be fixed in 1.0 release - FIXED
• 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still open
• 536 - speller accepts "impossible" compound-forms, geažideapmigárvu and giddesteapmisággi accepted - FIXED
• 593 - missing words in beta2 - FIXED
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot)
• 597 - does not recognize nubbelohki - FIXED
• 603 - suomabealdi, norggabealdi accepted
• 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound
• 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted
• 613 - short gen. as second compound part
• 619 - REGRESSION: - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails
• 625 - word+footnote - possibly Polderland or MS, or a consequence of allowing spell checking of words including digits
• 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted
• 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen
• 631 - numbers starting with 0 - FIXED
• 633 - double hyphens accepted in Word, not by cmdline speller
• 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen
• 637 - nai(go) becomes -naj(go) - FIXED
• 641 - umeral+noun compounds
• 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-01-31

• 482 - Nuorttalijguovlojn accepted again
  • testcase changed, test PASSED
• 607 - acro + hyphen, NRKGA accepted - test pair is wrong, should be corr.
• 615 - actio and actor compounds - FIXED
• 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN
• 618 - dipht. simpl. - FIXED
• 619 - REGRESSION: - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails
• 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
• 631 - number compounds starting with 0 - FIXED
• 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen
• 641 - umeral+noun compounds

TODO:

• look at test cases still not behaving properly (Thomas, Tomi)
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

• 468 - Márkomenau -> Polderland
• 548 - duostan -> Polderland
• 549 - missing hyph at word boundary -> Polderland
• 633 - extra hyphen inserted -> Polderland

smj

• 549 - missing hyph at word boundary -> Polderland
• 633 - extra hyphen inserted -> Polderland
• 636 - hyphen before last char -> Polderland

InDesign tools

Near-final tools were released on Friday, Feb. 1, including working user dictionary functionality.

TODO:

• test twolc hash-mark bug solution (Tomi, Trond, Sjur)
  • done - it worked fine, and is the only possible solution due to special treatment of this character in twolc
• fix double hyphen bugs (Tomi)
• new lexicons by Tuesday (Tomi)
  • done
• updated Polderland tools by Wednesday (Sjur)
  • done, delivered on Thursday
• final changes and bug fixes by Thursday afternoon (Thomas, Sjur, Tomi)
  • done
• final lexicons by Friday morning (Tomi)
  • done

Windows installer

TODO:

• investigate the NSIS installer (Børre, Sjur)

Releases

TODO:

• update the Changes document (Maaren)
• release InDesing tools Jan. 30. (Børre, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi)
  • compile new lexicons (Tomi)
    • done
  • test (all)
    • partially done
  • document (Sjur)
    • not really
  • package and release (Sjur)
    • done

Corpus contracts + open source

TODO:

• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta ( Sjur)

The next meeting is 11.2.2008 in Snåsa.

The meeting was closed at 10: 40.

Boerre

• start to reorganise the documentation
• gather sma texts
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• InDesign documentation
• investigate the NSIS installer
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper
• fix bugs!

Lene

• Ped project
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper

Maaren

• Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document
• update the Changes document

Per-Eric

• check some unusual and missing words from the last Olavi missing list
• keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly
• fix bugs!

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

• start to reorganise the documentation
• gather sma texts
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
• name db/risten.no
• investigate the NSIS installer
• make a first sma project plan
• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
• fix bugs!

Tomi

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• work on Tromsø Sami workshop paper
• fix double hyphen bugs
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Reorganise documentation (with Børre and Sjur)
• Gather sma texts (with Børre and Sjur)
• Name lexicon project: Test editing xml files (when they are ready for it)
• Work on sma analyser and visl integration
• fix bugs!.