Meeting_2008-03-12

• Date: 12.3.2008
• Time: 09.30 Norw. time
• Place: Internet
• Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

• the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
• the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opened at 10: 30.

Present: Børre, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi

Absent: Maaren, Trond

Agenda accepted as is.

Børre

• start to reorganise the documentation
• gather sma texts
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• InDesign documentation
• investigate the NSIS installer
• give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric
• fix bugs!

Lene

• Ped project

Maaren

• Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document
• update the Changes document

Per-Eric

• keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
  • Nothing
• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly, send contracts to them
  • Working on it, find some
• Work with a few things missing from the bible texts.
  • Worked and still working
• fix bugs!
  • Nothing done

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

• start to reorganise the documentation
  • nothing
• gather sma texts
  • presented the project in Trondheim, will get some text as a result
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
  • nothing
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
  • nothing
• name db/risten.no
  • nothing useful
• investigate the NSIS installer
  • nothing
• make a first sma project plan
  • nothing new
• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  • nothing
• call Julie Eira about Maaren's share of the Divvun project
  • done. Maaren can do as much as she finds time for, and as much as we need her
• prepare Trondheim presentation
  • done
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • not much done
• fix bugs!
  • worked some

Tomi

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • not done
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • not done
• fix double hyphen bugs
  • not done
• fix bugs!
  • not done
• other
  • worked with XML processing
  • initial work for making sfst transducer(s)

Trond

• Reorganise documentation (with Børre and Sjur)
  • Fiddling around myself, awaiting a plenary discussion.
• Gather sma texts (with Børre and Sjur)
  • Not done
• Name lexicon project: Test editing xml files (when they are ready for it)
  • Waiting
• Work on sma analyser and visl integration
  • Huge progress here. Started including the Errata sheet from Verbh, still things to be done.
• fix bugs!.

TODO:

• get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
• More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postpone until later

TODO:

• start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

The Trondheim visit and presentation has brought both smj and sma texts. The smj texts are translations by Samuel Gælok of public reports, for which also sme translations should exists (as well as an English), and the Norwegian original.

TODO:

• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through Olavi Korhonen (contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
• other contacts: Nord-Salten avis, Børge Strandskog, Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
• gather sma texts (Børre, Sjur, Trond, Joseph)
  • Sjur got some important contacts in Trondheim
• Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki ( Maaren)
• give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric ( Børre)

TODO:

• add Jabber account in iChat (all)
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look (Børre, Sjur, Tomi)
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support - permanent chat rooms, project calendar(s), wiki? (Børre, Sjur)

North Sámi

Hyphenation bugs still there, now properly documented by the improved test bench.

Lule Sámi

All missing lists now added. A few things missing from the bible texts.

Hyphenation: same as for sme.

TODO:

• sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
• Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Tomi has added even more verbs. The corrections to Verbh are now added to the lexicon. Joseph is hunting for sma texts at SD.

TODO:

1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
   1. it works ok locally, set-up / config needs to be checked on the G5; probably easy to fix
      1. it works the same both locally and on the G5, relates to i18n setup in forrest
2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
8. start to use the xml file as source file
9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Hunspell

TODO:

1. add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme
2. fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme
3. return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix
4. integrate the derivations as separate "continuation lexicons"

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

• Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
• test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-02-17

• 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still open
• 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot)
• 600 - REGRESSION: gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru
• 603 - suomabealdi, norggabealdi accepted
• 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound
• 607 - acro + hyphen
  • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
• 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted
• 613 - short gen. as second compound part
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails
• 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted
• 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen
• 633 - double hyphens accepted in Word, not by cmdline speller
• 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds
• 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund
• 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun
• 647 - numerals+NOUN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen
• 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát
• 655 - pron + nai
• 658 - Suggestion saame
• 660 - abbr. not recognised

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-02-14

• 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot)
• 600 - REGRESSION: gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro
• 607 - acro + hyphen
  • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
• 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
• 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund
• 647 - numerals+NOUN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen
• 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen
• 658 - Suggestion saame

TODO:

• look at test cases still not behaving properly (Thomas, Tomi)
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

• 468 - Márkomeanu -> Polderland - FIXED
• 548 - duostan -> Polderland - FIXED
• 549 - missing hyph at word boundary -> Polderland - FIXED
• 633 - extra hyphen inserted -> Divvun - FIXED

There are still some bugs found in the wordtypes test file. They should be added to Bugzilla.

TODO:

• add remaining hyphenation bugs to Bugzilla (Thomas)

smj

• 549 - missing hyph at word boundary -> Polderland - FIXED
• 633 - extra hyphen inserted -> Polderland - FIXED
• 636 - hyphen before last char -> Divvun

The wordtypes test file does contain another problem, but that one belongs to Polderland, and is reported.

TODO:

• lexicalise europarádeministarjuogos ( Thomas)
• try to fix 636 (Thomas)

InDesign tools

We're waiting for an update from Polderland.

Windows installer

TODO:

• investigate the NSIS installer (Børre, Sjur)

Releases

TODO:

• update the Changes document (Maaren)
• documentation (Sjur)
  • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

Corpus contracts + open source

TODO:

• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta ( Sjur)

Easter vacation

Please report all real vacation days (as opposed to taking extra hours off) to Ellen Mienna Guttorm or Julie Eira.

The next meeting is 25.3.2008.

The meeting was closed at 11: 29.

Boerre

• start to reorganise the documentation
• gather sma texts
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• InDesign documentation
• investigate the NSIS installer
• give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric
• fix bugs!

Lene

• Ped project

Maaren

• Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document
• update the Changes document

Per-Eric

• keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly, send contracts to them
• Work with missing list from the bible texts.
• Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka who has many more smj texts to add.

• fix bugs!

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

• start to reorganise the documentation
• gather sma texts
• improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
• set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
• name db/risten.no
• investigate the NSIS installer
• make a first sma project plan
• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
• add remaining hyphenation bugs to Bugzilla
• lexicalise europarádeministarjuogos
• try to fix 636
• fix bugs!

Tomi

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• fix double hyphen bugs
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Reorganise documentation (with Børre and Sjur)
• Gather sma texts (with Børre and Sjur)
• Name lexicon project: Test editing xml files (when they are ready for it)
• Work on sma analyser and visl integration
• fix bugs!.