Meeting_2008-03-26

Meeting setup

  • Date: 26.3.2008
  • Time: 09.30 Norw. time
  • Place: Internet
  • Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Agenda

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

  • the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
  • the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opening, agenda review, participants

Opened at 10: 16.

Present: Børre, Lene, Sjur, Thomas, Trond

Absent: Maaren, Per-Eric, Tomi

Agenda accepted as is.

Updated task status since last meeting

Børre

  • start to reorganise the documentation
  • gather sma texts
  • improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
  • set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
  • Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • InDesign documentation
  • investigate the NSIS installer
  • give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric
    • done
  • fix bugs!
  • Other:
    • Had a meeting with Davvi Girji and Čálliid lágádus. They agreed to add a paragraph to their standard contracts which lets the Sami Parliament use the texts they publish.
    • Visited Johan Jernsletten, Aage Solbakk and Kari Meløy who signed contracts. Will also make contracts with Yngve Engkvist, Harald Gaski, Siri Broch Johansen and Roald E. Kristiansen. All in all this will give us quite a few books to work with.

Lene

  • Ped project - status:
    • waiting for Tino to do some changes of the synt.tags in the VISL-games
    • Saara is programming the morph-drill and question/answering-drill - we need good (funny?) names for the drills. Does anybody have suggestions?
    • Saara also makes an xml for the lexicon for the drills
    • I am doing other work now waiting for this. When Saara has finished the first versions of the programming, then I will continue.
    • The next big task after the drills is to continue the work with the dialogues

Maaren

  • Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document
  • update the Changes document

Per-Eric

  • keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
    • Nothing new
  • try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly, send contracts to them
    • Nothing new
  • Work with missing list from the bible texts.
    • Not done
  • Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka who has many more smj texts to add.
    • Have some new texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandström, which I have done missing lists of and also texts from Lars-Matto Tuolja which I also have done missing list of
  • fix bugs!
    • Nothing done

Saara

  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
  • discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

  • start to reorganise the documentation
  • gather sma texts
  • improve forrest stability with i18n, site look
  • set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support
  • name db/risten.no
  • investigate the NSIS installer
  • make a first sma project plan
  • publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  • fix bugs!
  • other things:
    • hyphenator bug hunting and reporting

Thomas

  • look at test cases still not behaving properly
    • not much done here
  • add remaining hyphenation bugs to Bugzilla
    • done
  • lexicalise europarádeministarjuogos
    • done
  • try to fix 636
    • did not succeed
  • fix bugs!
    • worked some

Tomi

  • Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • fix double hyphen bugs
  • fix bugs!

Trond

  • Reorganise documentation (with Børre and Sjur)
    • Not done
  • Gather sma texts (with Børre and Sjur)
    • Not done
  • Name lexicon project: Test editing xml files (when they are ready for it)
    • Not done
  • Work on sma analyser and visl integration
    • Not so much here (but on smn, sms, sjd)
  • fix bugs!.

Pedagogical software online

UiT/GT is developing their own language games & drills, in addition to the VISL games. See Lene's report above. Links:

Ped-speller? That is, a speller with restricted vocabulary and morphology (rare words, names and forms are removed, possibly even compounding, ie with only lexicalised compounds). Examples of problem pairs: boaris vs buoris, vieljas vs vielljas. With a smaller lexicon, it might be possible to increase the complexity of the suggestion ("phonetic") rules.

South Sámi ped-prog should be discussed with the sma groups we'll meet throughout the spring.

Note that there is a new deadline for pedagogical and strengthening of language projects within Sámediggi in the autumn.

TODO:

  • get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
  • More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postpone until later
  • Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
    • Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded (Thomas, Lene)
    • Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
    • Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

Documentation

TODO:

  • start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Corpus gathering

TODO:

  • follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
  • get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through Olavi Korhonen (contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
  • other contacts: Nord-Salten avis, Børge Strandskog, Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
  • gather sma texts (Børre, Sjur, Trond, Joseph)
  • Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki ( Maaren)
  • give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric ( Børre)

Future plans, directions and ideas

  • more speller engines supported (to different degrees)
  • more hyphenators supported
  • grammar checker
    • what the society wants
    • it is interesting both for the university and SD
    • it is a very good cooperation project
  • tailored proofing tools
  • machine translation (further work to something useful)
  • cooperation with groups teaching Sámi, starting at UiT
  • speech
  • searching and indexing
  • automatic (bilingual) lexicon building, semantics
  • more public visibility & delivery
  • more open-source technology (sfst, other?)

See also a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

Infrastructure

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions:

  1. migrate to svn
  2. merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
  3. more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
  4. close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
  5. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
    1. permanent chat rooms
    2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
    3. iCal server / group calendars
    4. wiki
  6. wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
  7. improve Forrest stability and i18n support
  8. reorganise the documentation & look
  9. migrate to XML
  10. sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
  11. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
  12. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

TODO:

  • add Jabber account in iChat (all)
  • prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Linguistics

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

  • sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
  • Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Nothing new.

Name lexicon infrastructure

TODO:

  1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
    1. it works ok locally, set-up / config needs to be checked on the G5; probably easy to fix
      1. it works the same both locally and on the G5, relates to i18n setup in forrest
  2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
  3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
  4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
  5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
  6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
  7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
  8. start to use the xml file as source file
  9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
  10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
  11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
  12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
  13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Proofing tools

Hunspell

TODO:

  1. add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme
  2. fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme
  3. return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix
  4. integrate the derivations as separate "continuation lexicons"

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

  • Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
  • test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-02-17

  • 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still open
  • 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot)
  • 600 - REGRESSION: gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru
  • 603 - suomabealdi, norggabealdi accepted
  • 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound
  • 607 - acro + hyphen
    • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
  • 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted
  • 613 - short gen. as second compound part
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails
  • 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted
  • 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen
  • 633 - double hyphens accepted in Word, not by cmdline speller
  • 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen
  • 641 - numeral+noun compounds
  • 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain
  • 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund
  • 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun
  • 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen
  • 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát
  • 655 - pron + nai
  • 658 - Suggestion saame
  • 660 - abbr. not recognised

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-02-14

  • 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
    • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot)
  • 600 - REGRESSION: gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro
  • 607 - acro + hyphen
    • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
  • 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
  • 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
  • 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
  • 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
  • 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
  • 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund
  • 647 - numerals+NOUN
  • 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun
  • 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen
  • 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen
  • 658 - Suggestion saame

TODO:

  • compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

  • 468 - Márkomeanu -> Polderland - FIXED
  • 548 - duostan -> Polderland - FIXED
  • 549 - missing hyph at word boundary -> Polderland - FIXED
  • 633 - extra hyphen inserted -> Divvun - FIXED

There are still some bugs found in the wordtypes test file. They should be added to Bugzilla.

TODO:

  • add remaining hyphenation bugs to Bugzilla (Thomas)

smj

  • 549 - missing hyph at word boundary -> Polderland - FIXED
  • 633 - extra hyphen inserted -> Polderland - FIXED
  • 636 - hyphen before last char -> Divvun

Possible solution: 

define saveclitic  %# -> 0 || _ k .#. ;

The wordtypes test file does contain another problem, but that one belongs to Polderland, and is reported.

TODO:

  • lexicalise europarádeministarjuogos ( Thomas)
  • try to fix 636 (Thomas, Trond)

InDesign tools

We're waiting for an update from Polderland.

Windows installer

This point is now moved to the section for future plans, and will be tackled as time permits.

Releases

TODO:

  • update the Changes document (Børre)
  • documentation (Sjur)
    • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji

Other

Corpus contracts + open source

TODO:

  • publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta ( Sjur)

Next meeting, closing

The next meeting is 31.3.2008.

The meeting was closed at 13: 16.

Appendix - task lists for the next five days

Boerre

  • gather sma texts
  • Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • InDesign documentation
  • update the Changes document
  • prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
  • fix bugs!

Lene

  • Ped project
  • Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded from ped. speller

Maaren

  • Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

  • keep the contact with Kurt Tores family about his texts.
  • try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly, send contracts to them
  • Work with missing list from Tjaktjalasta, Lars-Matto Tuolja.
  • Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
  • Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka who has many more smj texts to add.
  • fix bugs!

Saara

  • add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
  • Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
  • discuss more parallel texts

Sjur

  • gather sma texts
  • name db/risten.no
  • make an improved sma project plan
  • publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  • prepare migration to svn (Børre, Trond)
  • fix bugs!

Thomas

  • look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • try to fix 636
  • Add a flag !^P^ for forms to be excluded from ped. speller
  • fix bugs!

Tomi

  • Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • fix double hyphen bugs
  • compile new speller lexicons
  • Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
  • fix bugs!

Trond

  • Work on sma analyser and visl integration
  • try to fix 636
  • Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
  • fix bugs!.