Meeting_2008-05-13

• Date: 13.5.2008
• Time: 10.15 Norw. time
• Place: Internet
• Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

• the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
• the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opened at 12: 34.

Present: Børre, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi

Absent: Jovsset, Trond

Agenda accepted as is.

Boerre

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • Making a program that converts fullform wordlists to the hunspell format.
• prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
  • Made accounts for all samediggi and uit workers
• release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
  • working
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
  • not done
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • not done
• define and document testing routines
  • not done
• fix bugs!

Jovsset

• follow up on sma corpus texts

Lene

• get the ped content ready
• Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Maaren

• Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
  • Nothing done
• Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
  • Finished ja_jage_gållin_missing.txt continued with Uldevisa_missing.txt
• Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
  • Nothing done
• Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
  • Nothing done
• Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
  • Nothing done
• fix bugs!
  • Nothing done

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

• follow up on sma corpus texts
  • nothing
• name db/risten.no
  • installed latest svn version of eXist - includes better corruption detection and recovery
• make an improved sma project plan
  • nothing
• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  • nothing
• prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
  • nothing last week
• release hunspell public beta during May (with Børre)
  • nothing
• update the Changes document
  • nothing
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
  • briefly on bug 656
• InDesign documentation
  • nothing
• add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
  • nothing
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • nothing
• define and document testing routines
  • nothing
• fix bugs!
  • nothing
• other things:
  • searched for and found an acceptable Linux/Windows dictionary application (StarDict), no dictionary made for it yet
  • prepared presentation in Stockholm

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • nothing this week
• review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
  • finished sme, working with smj now
• fix bugs!
  • nothing this week

Tomi

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• fix double hyphen bugs
• Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
• Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
• Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
• Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• fix bugs!.

Still more progress, probably online demo this or next month.

TODO:

• get the content ready (Lene)
• implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
• get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
• More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
• Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
  • Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
  • Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

TODO:

• start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

After some discussion, we decided that Thomas and Per-Eric should do a tour de Divvun in the Lule Sámi area, to make more people use our tools, and provide us with more texts, and to make them understand that using our tools is beneficial even for professional writers.

Per-Eric talked to Børge Strandskog ( Nord-Salten avis), to remind him about our work and need for smj texts.

TODO:

• follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through Ulf-Stefan Winka (contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
• other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
• Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki ( Maaren)
• give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric ( Børre)
• plan a smj pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

1. test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
2. migrate to svn
3. merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
4. more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
5. close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
6. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
   1. permanent chat rooms
   2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
   3. iCal server / group calendars
   4. wiki
7. wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
8. improve Forrest stability and i18n support
9. reorganise the documentation content:
   1. differ between target groups
   2. get better grouping
   3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
   4. update/add missing parts
10. migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
    1. Name lexica (the Name project)
    2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
    3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
11. change the look of the documentation web
12. sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
13. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
14. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

TODO:

• add CG regression test (Lene, Sjur, Trond)
  • needs to be integrated in the make file
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • not yet - depends on the prevous point
• define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • not yet
• add Jabber account in iChat
  • UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
• prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • https access is now working. svn checkout https: //gtsvn.uit.no/repos
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

• sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
• Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Nothing new since last week.

Updated the eXist version, reinstalled all data. The G5 installation should work again now.

TODO:

1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
8. start to use the xml file as source file
9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Dictionaries

TODO:

• find similar frameworks for Linux and Windows
  • StarDict - opensource, free, can take XML dictionaries, all OS-es
• make simple installer applications
• make a public release
  • Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
  • Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
    • Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
    • Integrated dictionary for Mac 10.5 (local ones), in the future also Windows and Linux

Hunspell

Børre finally found a working strategy for converting our lexc lexicons to hunspell format.

TODO:

1. test latest lexicon (Sjur)
2. add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme ( Børre, Thomas, Per-Eric)
   1. added to derivations, needs to be tested
3. fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme ( Børre, Tomi)
4. return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix (Børre, Tomi)
5. release a public beta at the end of April (Børre, Sjur)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

• Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
• test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 425 - REGRESSION: other words from Divvun.no - two words rejected
• 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
• 435 - roman numbers - REGRESSION: inflection of single letter numbers rejected (but is ok in smj)
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
• 452 - REGRESSION: several lexical bugs - oažžuin + ožžuin
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
• 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
• 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
• 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
• 607 - acro + hyphen - still OPEN
  • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
• 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
• 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still OPEN
• 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
• 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
• 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
• 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
• 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
• 665 - adverb superlatives; dieppimus, doppimus - NEW
• 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - NEW
• 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - NEW
• 676 - triple-hyphen - NEW

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
• 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
• 607 - acro + hyphen
  • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
• 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
• 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
• 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - NEW

TODO:

• compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 468 - REGRESSION: Márkomeanu
• 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
• 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
• 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
• 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
• 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
• 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
• 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

InDesign tools

We have received the expected updates from Polderland.

Releases

TODO:

• update the Changes document (Sjur)
• InDesign documentation (Sjur)
  • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
• public hunspell beta - sometime in May
• public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools towards end of May

Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs to svn.

TODO:

• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta ( Sjur)

Sjur in Stockholm

Tomorrow - giving a speech on Samiska i IT-samhället.

Summer vacations

The next meeting is 19.5.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 12: 07.

Boerre

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
• release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• fix bugs!

Jovsset

• follow up on sma corpus texts

Lene

• get the ped content ready
• Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Maaren

• Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
• Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
• Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
• Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
• Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
• plan a smj pr tour for our tools
• fix bugs!

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

• follow up on sma corpus texts
• name db/risten.no
• make an improved sma project plan
• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
• prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
• release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
• update the Changes document
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
• InDesign documentation
• add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• sma linguist
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
• review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
• plan a smj pr tour for our tools
• fix bugs!

Tomi

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• fix double hyphen bugs
• Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
• Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
• Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
• Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• Dictionaries
• fix bugs!.