Meeting_2008-05-19

• Date: 19.5.2008
• Time: 09.30 Norw. time
• Place: Internet
• Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat/Skype

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

• the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
• the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opened at 09: 50.

Present: Børre, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi, Trond

Absent: Jovsset

Agenda accepted as is.

Børre

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • Progressing
• prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
  • nothing new
• release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
  • will probably make it
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
  • not done
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • not done
• define and document testing routines
  • not done
• fix bugs!

Jovsset

• follow up on sma corpus texts

Lene

• get the ped content ready
• Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Maaren

• Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
  • Nothing done
• Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
  • Nearly finished with her texts, have some small corrections left
• Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
  • Making a missing list just now
• Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
  • Nothing done
• Keep the contact with Ulf-Stefan Winka.
  • Nothing done
• plan a smj pr tour for our tools
  • Working with it, made the first draft
• fix bugs!

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

• follow up on sma corpus texts
  • nothing last week
• name db/risten.no
  • nothing last week
• make an improved sma project plan
  • nothing last week
• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
  • nothing last week
• prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
  • nothing last week
• release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
  • nothing last week
• update the Changes document
  • nothing last week
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
  • some on 656
• InDesign documentation
  • nothing last week
• add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
  • nothing last week
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • nothing last week
• define and document testing routines
  • nothing last week
• sma linguist
  • nothing last week
• fix bugs!
• other tasks:
  • pressentation in Stockholm
  • updated libraries and command line tools from Polderland
  • released internal proofing tools update

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • not anything this week
• review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
  • worked all week
• plan a smj pr tour for our tools
  • made first draft
• fix bugs!
  • not anything this week

Tomi

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
  • not done
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • not done
• fix double hyphen bugs
  • fixed some double hyphens
• Make a pedagogical speller (after MA thesis is delivered)
  • not done
• fix bugs!
  • fixed some

Trond

• Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
• Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
• Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
• Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• Dictionaries
• fix bugs!.

Demos online, preliminary only:

• gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/mgame/
• gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/num/

Meeting memos can be found at http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos

TODO:

• get the content ready (Lene)
• implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
• get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
• More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
• Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
  • Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
  • Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

TODO:

• start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

P-E has talked again with Børge Strandskog, and he will sign the corpus contract and give us material from Nord-Salten avis.

The smj Divvun tour planning is progressing.

TODO:

• follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• get texts from Sigga Tuolja Sandstrøm, possibly through Ulf-Stefan Winka (contract is ok now) (Per-Eric)
• other contacts: Nord-Salten avis (Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
• Put the list of possible corpus sources into a document gt/doc/lang/sma/sma-corpus-plan.jspwiki ( Maaren)
• give contract with blank fields to Per-Eric ( Børre)
• plan a smj pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

1. test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
2. migrate to svn
3. merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
4. more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
5. close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
6. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
   1. permanent chat rooms
   2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
   3. iCal server / group calendars
   4. wiki
7. wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
8. improve Forrest stability and i18n support
9. reorganise the documentation content:
   1. differ between target groups
   2. get better grouping
   3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
   4. update/add missing parts
10. migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
    1. Name lexica (the Name project)
    2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
    3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
11. change the look of the documentation web
12. sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
13. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
14. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

TODO:

• add CG regression test (Lene, Sjur, Trond)
  • needs to be integrated in the make file
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • not yet - depends on the prevous point
• define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • not yet
• add Jabber account in iChat
  • UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
• prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • https access is now working. svn checkout https: //gtsvn.uit.no/repos
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

• sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
• Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Nothing new since last week.

TODO:

1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
8. start to use the xml file as source file
9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Dictionaries

Updated version now available at the Divvun download area http://www.divvun.no/static_files/sme-nob-dict.zip.

What we have works, content-wise and technically, for Mac OS 10.5. Technically, the challenge now is to port it to other OS-es, and generalise the infrastructure to make it easy to add new dictionaries without doubling the infrastructure components.

The linguistic challenges are:

• Compounds (must be lexicalised)
• Derivations (must be lexicalised)
• Better coverage (the words/dicts/smenob/src/inc-* files)
• Better dictionary aricles

As for the last point, we are considering a dictionary workshop next winter. But we will then need lexicographers, and routines for using our tools and parallel corpora for finding dictionary examples.

TODO:

• clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
• make Linux and Windows versions
• make simple installer applications
• make a public release
  • Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
  • Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
    • Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
    • Integrated dictionary for Mac 10.5 (local ones), in the future also Windows and Linux

Hunspell

Latest test results now committed and linked to.

Børre is working on the conversion.

sme.dic 12MB
sme.aff 873MB

These files are in 129.242.220.111 /Users/boerre/gt/tmp

• Simple clitics may also be separate words
  • go, ge, gen, ges, gis, nai, ba, ban, be, hal, han, bat, son
• combinations of clitics are not separate words as such.
  • naigo, goson

Børre will compile new lexicons today.

TODO:

1. add smj to the soup, make sure it works roughly as good as sme ( Børre, Thomas, Per-Eric)
   1. added to derivations, needs to be tested
2. fix the remaining conversion bugs for sme ( Børre, Tomi)
3. return to smj, and fix whatever is left to fix (Børre, Tomi)
4. make a proper Linux distro (Børre, Tomi)
5. release a public beta at the end of May (Børre, Sjur)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

• Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
• test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 425 - other words from Divvun.no - FIXED
• 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
• 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
• 452 - several lexical bugs - oažžuin + ožžuin - FIXED
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
• 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
• 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
• 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
• 607 - acro + hyphen - FIXED
  • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
• 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
• 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - still OPEN
• 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
• 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
• 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
• 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
• 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
• 665 - adverb superlatives; dieppimus, doppimus - FIXED
• 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - NEW
• 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - FIXED
• 676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
• 599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr: s on lot
• 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
• 607 - acro + hyphen - FIXED
  • NRKGA is acro + clitic accepted without colon - what is correct?
• 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
• 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN
• 668 - caseforms, ordinals and collectives - FIXED

TODO:

• compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
  • done, please new compilations on Thursday afternoon
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 468 - REGRESSION: Márkomeanu
• 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
• 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
• 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
• 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
• 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
• 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
• 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

TODO:

• test latest hyphenator lexicons (Sjur)

InDesign tools

We have received the expected updates from Polderland.

Releases

TODO:

• update the Changes document (Sjur)
• InDesign documentation (Sjur)
  • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
• public hunspell beta - sometime in May
• public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools towards end of May/beginning of June

Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs to svn.

TODO:

• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta ( Sjur)

Sjur in Stockholm

Last week - gave a speech on Samiska i IT-samhället.

The meeting was useful. Swedens W3C experience wanted info on Sámi problems with Unicode.

Summer vacations

The next meeting is 26.5.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 11: 10.

Boerre

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
• release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
• make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• fix bugs!

Jovsset

• follow up on sma corpus texts

Lene

• get the ped content ready
• Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Maaren

• Put the list of possible sma corpus sources into a document

Per-Eric

• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
• Work with missing list from texts written by Sigga Tuolja Sandström.
• Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
• Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
• Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
• Call Julie about my vacationdays (how many I have left)
• fix bugs!

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

• follow up on sma corpus texts
• name db/risten.no
• make an improved sma project plan
• publish corpus contracts and project infra as open-source on NoDaLi-sta
• prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
• release hunspell public beta at the end of April (with Børre)
• update the Changes document
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
• InDesign documentation
• add CG regression test with Lene and Trond
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• sma linguist
• test latest hyphenator lexicons
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
• review hunspell lexicon branch with Børre
• fix bugs!

Tomi

• Hunspell lexicon conversion
• make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• fix double hyphen bugs
• Make a pedagogical speller
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
• Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
• Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
• Work on test routine with Lene and Sjur
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• Dictionaries
• fix bugs!.