Meeting_2008-06-09

• Date: 2.6.2008
• Time: 09.30 Norw. time
• Place: Internet
• Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

• the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
• the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opened at 09: 41.

Present: Børre, Jovsset, Per-Eric, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi

Absent: Trond

Agenda accepted as is.

Børre

• prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
  • nothing new
• release hunspell public beta during May (with Sjur)
  • made it
• make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
  • done
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
  • not done
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • not done
• define and document testing routines
  • not done
• give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday
• look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows
  • have read documentation, will make them by Tuesday
• write README file, it should say BETA
  • Sjur did it
• write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
• fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
• fix bugs!

Jovsset

• follow up on sma corpus texts
• Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the copyrights.
• check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
• order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal trip

Lene

• get the ped content ready
• Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

• try to find other authors who have smj texts digitaly.
  • Nothing done
• Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
  • Worked and still working
• Work with missing list sameriekta_tjoahkkagæsos.txt
  • Nothing done
• Plan a smj pr tour for our tools '** Nothing done
• fix bugs!
  • Nothing done

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

• follow up on sma corpus texts
  • nothing
• name db/risten.no
  • nothing
• make an improved sma project plan
  • nothing
• prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
  • nothing
• release hunspell public beta at the end of May (with Børre)
  • not really released, but at least prepared for inclusion in the next Debian distro - we still need to do some more work for a full release (and define what we mean with a "full release"), a.o. add a download link on our home page: )
• update the Changes document
  • nothing
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652, 656
  • nothing
• InDesign documentation
  • nothing
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • nothing
• define and document testing routines
  • nothing since the previous week
• test sme and smj hunspell lexicons using Gold Standard tests
  • done. sme passed, smj failed completely
• give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday
  • done, although not on Wednesday
• look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows
  • looked a bit
• write README file, it should say BETA
  • done
• write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
  • done for Debian distro, briefly for OOo manual installation from the same distro
• order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal/board meeting trip
  • not done
• organise meeting room for project board meeting
  • not done
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • not any this week
• fix bugs!
  • not any this week

Tomi

• make a hunspell package that suits linux distributions
  • not done
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
  • not done
• fix double hyphen bugs
  • not done
• Make a pedagogical speller
  • not done
• fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
  • not done
• fix bugs!
• other
  • compiled new speller
  • MA delivered

Trond

• Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
• Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
• Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• Dictionaries
• check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
• fix bugs!.

Meeting memos can be found at http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos

Goal for the Hattfjelldal meeting: Have a sma morfa game ready for the verbs in the Verbh book

TODO:

• get the content ready (Lene)
• implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
• get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
• More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
• Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
  • Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
  • Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

TODO:

• start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

We discussed how the last corpus contacts of Per-Eric could be followed up either before he leaves the project, or by others in the project team.

TODO:

• follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• other contacts: Nord-Salten avis ( Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
• Ulf Stefan Winka has a lot of smj texts (Thomas)
• plan a smj pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

1. test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
2. migrate to svn
3. merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
4. more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
5. close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
6. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
   1. permanent chat rooms
   2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
   3. iCal server / group calendars
   4. wiki
7. wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
8. improve Forrest stability and i18n support
9. reorganise the documentation content:
   1. differ between target groups
   2. get better grouping
   3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
   4. update/add missing parts
10. migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
    1. Name lexica (the Name project)
    2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
    3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
11. change the look of the documentation web
12. sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
13. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
14. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

TODO:

• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
• define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
• add Jabber account in iChat
  • UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
• prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • https access is now working. svn checkout https: //gtsvn.uit.no/repos
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

• sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
• Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Jovsset will ask the authors whether we can get a copy of the Verbh manuscript in electronic version, with the usual corpus contract.

TODO:

1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
8. start to use the xml file as source file
9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Dictionaries

TODO:

• clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
• make Linux and Windows local/integrated versions
• make simple installer applications
• make a public release
  • Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
  • Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
    • Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)

Hunspell

Børre has compiled a new set of lexicons, now also including smj:

sme.dic  50 MB
sme.aff 873 kB
smj.dic  17 MB
smj.aff 484 kB

These files are in 129.242.220.111 /Users/boerre/gt/tmp http: //divvun.no/static_files/hunspell-se-2008-05-23.zip

Installation (needs the last version of OpenOffice.org 2.4)

Under linux the files se.dic and se.aff must be copied to /usr/share/myspell/dicts/

In OS X the folder is /Applications/OpenOffice.org.app/Contents/share/dict/ooo/

Then these lines should be added to the following file:

in Linux: /usr/share/myspell/dicts/dictionary.lst

in Mac: /Applications/OpenOffice.org.app/Contents/share/dict/ooo/dictionary.lst

DICT se NO se
DICT se SE se
DICT se FI se
DICT smj NO smj
DICT smj SE smj

Hunspell lexicon distributions:

• Debian tarball (delivered)
• OOo Lingucomponent package (coming)
• zipped lexicon files for manual installation in whatever system the user wants

TODO:

1. test sme and smj using Gold Standard tests (Sjur)
   1. done
2. make a proper Linux distro (Børre, Tomi)
   1. done
3. give test Linux distro to Petter Reinholdtsen on Wednesday (Børre, Sjur)
   1. done on Friday
4. look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows (Børre, Sjur, ...)
   1. done a bit, needs more work
5. write README file, it should say BETA (Børre, Sjur)
   1. done
6. release an OOo distro Tuesday (Børre)
7. OOo distro readme and installation (Børre)
8. zip distro readme and installation (Børre)
9. write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro) ( Børre, Sjur)
   1. Børre has started, not yet in cvs
10. QA README and installation docs (Trond, Per-Eric)
    1. not done, depends on the previous task
11. translate readme, installation docu (all)
    1. not done, depends on the previous task
12. release a public beta at the end of May (Børre, Sjur)
    1. released to Debian, still some work for the release to the general audience
13. fix the remaining conversion bugs (Børre, Tomi)
    1. Børre has worked on the smj problems

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

• Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
• test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

• 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
• 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
• 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
• 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
• 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
• 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
• 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
• 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
• 633 - REGRESSION: double hyphens accepted
• 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
• 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
• 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
• 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN - won't fix
• 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - FIXED
• 676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED, but double hyphen is still accepted
• other regressions:
  • skuvlajagin now accepted
  • skierranis now accepted

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

• 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
• 599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr: s on lot
• 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
• 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
• 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN, won't fix
• 692 - NEW: - numeral-variants
• other regressions:
  • gus NOT accepted anymore

TODO:

• compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 468 - REGRESSION: Márkomeanu
• 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
• 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
• 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
• 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
• 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
• 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
• 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

TODO:

• fix hyphenator errors (Tomi)

InDesign tools

Nothing new.

Releases

TODO:

• public hunspell beta - end of May
  • Debian distro released, two more coming this week
• update the Changes document (Sjur)
• InDesign documentation (Sjur)
  • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
• public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools beginning of June

Trip to Hattfjelldal

We have been asked to move the meeting to Friday or Tuesday, but that isn't possible for us. The meeting will be held on Thursday June 12, as already announced.

TODO:

• check with Lene ( Jovsset, Trond)
• order hotel rooms (Jovsset, Sjur)
• organise meeting room for project board meeting (Sjur)

Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs to svn.

Summer vacations

Divvun feedback

Jovsset was at the Giellagiella seminar last week, with language workers. They knew very little about the Divvun project, and what we provide. We need to inform better about ourselves and our "products".

The next meeting is 9.6.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 11: 00.

Boerre

• prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• look into other hunspell distro's as well: Mac, Windows
• write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
• release an OOo distro Tuesday
• OOo distro readme and installation
• zip distro readme and installation
• fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
• fix bugs!

Jovsset

• follow up on sma corpus texts
• Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the copyrights.
• check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
• order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal trip

Lene

• get the ped content ready
• Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
• Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
• Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
• fix bugs!

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

• follow up on sma corpus texts
• name db/risten.no
• make an improved sma project plan
• prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
• update the Changes document
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
• InDesign documentation
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows
• order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal/board meeting trip
• organise meeting room for project board meeting
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
• contact Ulf Stefan Winka for smj texts
• fix bugs!

Tomi

• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• fix double hyphen bugs
• fix PL hyphenator errors
• Make a pedagogical speller
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Help Jovsset with vislcg3 and sma
• Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
• Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• Dictionaries
• check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
• fix bugs!.