Meeting_2008-06-16

• Date: 17.6.2008
• Time: 09.30 Norw. time
• Place: Internet
• Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat

Cf. one of the following, depending on context:

• the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
• the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF

Opened at 12: 50.

Present: Børre, Jovsset, Sjur, Thomas, Trond

Absent: Per-Eric, Tomi

Agenda accepted as is.

Børre

• prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
  • not done
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • not done
• define and document testing routines
  • not done
• write installation and usage instructions (online, and in distro)
  • done
• fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
  • still working on it
• e-mail to all involved/affected this week, to inform about svn change
  • not done
• send new svn e-mail 23.6 as a reminder
• write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
  • not done
• add hunspell/OOo download links
  • done
• add link to OOo dictionary wiki page
  • done
• fix bugs!

Jovsset

• follow up on sma corpus texts
  • work in progress. Sources that I have not been in contact with yet and that have south sami texts are the newspaper Snåsingen, the youth paper Š-blađi, the religious paper Daerpies Dierie and Gun Utsi who is the auhtor of the book Bovtsen guelmie. Also a brand new book in South Sámi and with a parallell corpus in swedish has recently been relased, author is Christer Olofsson, Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie - naemhtie sopstesovvin Jijnjevaereste - när dom andra sover - en berättelse från Jinjevarie sameby. Gullers förlag (2007). ISBN: 9789188238757.
• Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the copyrights.
  • I have written an mail but no response. No one answers at the institution when I phone them. I will continue with this work.
• check Hattfjelldal trip with Lene
  • done
• order hotel rooms for the Hattfjelldal trip
  • done

Lene

• get the ped content ready
• Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
• Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
• Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
• fix bugs!

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

• follow up on sma corpus texts
  • done as part of trip to Hattfjelldalen
• name db/risten.no
  • nothing (was travelling)
• make an improved sma project plan
  • done, presented to the board, accepted with some adjustments
• prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
  • nothing
• update the Changes document
  • nothing
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
  • nothing
• InDesign documentation
  • nothing
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • nothing
• define and document testing routines
  • nothing new
• write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
  • nothing
• fix bugs!
• other:
  • travelled to Hattfjelldalen, presented the Divvun II project
  • meeting with the project board

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
  • worked
• contact Ulf Stefan Winka for smj texts
  • not done
• fix bugs!
  • worked

Tomi

• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• fix double hyphen bugs
• fix PL hyphenator errors
• Make a pedagogical speller
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
  • Waiting for machines
• Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
  • Nope
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
  • Nope
• define and document testing routines
  • Nope
• Dictionaries
  • Much done to improve dict, looked at programs for other OS: s.
• write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
  • Nope
• fix bugs!.
  • Rather added bugs this week.

Meeting memos can be found at http://giellatekno.uit.no/ped/index.html#Meeting+memos

TODO:

• get the content ready (Lene)
• implement the UI and functionality (Saara)
• get an easy-to-remember URL (UiT/IT)
• More thorough skin, layout, ... (External person within the Ped team, Internal forrest expert) This we will postponed until later
• Make a pedagogical speller (Tomi when finished with his MA thesis)
  • Turn off peripheral compounds (numbers, acros, perhaps names)
  • Increase editing distance by one for suggestions? Only possible with limited compounding

TODO:

• start to reorganise the documentation (Børre, Sjur, Trond)

Jovsset, Lene and Sjur were in Hattfjelldalen last week, and got very positive feedback on the project, as well as new tips and suggestions regarding corpus gathering. We got the following:

• two new texts (possibly only via scanning and OCR)
• another person to take responsibility for gathering one new text
• suggeestions on using the Bokbussen as a point-of-contact for the corpus licensing contract
• Two persons voluntered to be beta testers of Divvun II
• The current lack of normativity of the south sami ortography became submitted to a thorough discussion where we contemplated on this matter.

TODO:

• follow up on sma corpus texts (Sjur, Jovsset)
  • visit in Hattfjelldalen, see above
• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• other contacts: Nord-Salten avis ( Børge Strandskog), Lena Davidsson daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
• Ulf Stefan Winka has a lot of smj texts (Thomas)
• plan a smj pr tour for our tools (Per-Eric, Thomas)
• meet with the Sámi publishers; main topics: ( Jovsset)
  • present the present project (Divvun II)
  • discuss inclusion of our contract in theirs (DG and Čálliid Lágádus already positive)
  • present the electronic dictionary sme-nob, with "inflectional intelligence"
  • also regular contracts, and how to make faster progress with them, especially for the south sami and julev sami publishers since we have few texts in these two varieties.
  • prepare meeting with Børre ( Jovsset)

See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.

To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of importance):

1. test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
2. migrate to svn
3. merge gt, kt and st into one, probably after the svn move
4. more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
5. close certain parts of the code repository (requires svn)
6. set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
   1. permanent chat rooms
   2. stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
   3. iCal server / group calendars
   4. wiki
7. wiki? (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
8. improve Forrest stability and i18n support
9. reorganise the documentation content:
   1. differ between target groups
   2. get better grouping
   3. decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki (cf. Apertium for a similar split)
   4. update/add missing parts
10. migrate lexicons to XML, splitting the task
    1. Name lexica (the Name project)
    2. Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
    3. Open POSes (Komi as a test case)
11. change the look of the documentation web
12. sfst? Both as replacement for xfst and for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
13. investigate the NSIS installer, potentially replacing the InstallShield package from Polderland
14. corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories?

TODO:

• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
• define and document testing routines (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
• add Jabber account in iChat
  • UiT: Lene, Kimme, Saara (Trond)
• prepare migration to svn (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
  • https access is now working. svn checkout https: //gtsvn.uit.no/repos
  • final conversion is now decided to the evening 23.6.
    • e-mail to all involved/affected this week, to inform about the change ( Børre)
    • send new e-mail 23.6 as a reminder (Børre)
    • write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients (command-line, GUI, diffs, etc) (Børre, Sjur, Trond)
    • test existing svn repository, esp. access regulation ( Børre, Sjur, Trond)
    • rewrite bashrc aliases geared towards cvs, if needed (Trond)
    • prepare and discuss with external users: Meänkieli group, Greenlandic group, Jack Ruether (Trond)
    • check all other users in group cvs (Børre, Trond)
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server (Børre)
  • update the OS at the same time

North Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

Lule Sámi

(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)

TODO:

• sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and increase smj coverage (Trond, Svenne).
• Add the words when all words are ready.

South Sámi

Jovsset will ask the authors whether we can get a copy of the Verbh manuscript in electronic version, with the usual corpus contract.

TODO:

1. fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale request) (Sjur)
2. fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
3. finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
4. test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
5. make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob as well) (the morphological section should be kept intact, in e.g. propernoun-sme-morph.txt) (Sjur, Saara)
6. convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files ( Sjur, Tomi, Saara)
7. implement data synchronisation between risten.no and the cvs repo, and possibly other servers (ie the G5 as an alternative server to the public risten.no - it might be faster and better suited than the official one; also local installations could be treated the same way)
8. start to use the xml file as source file
9. clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use (e.g. @type=secondary) (Thomas, Maaren, linguists)
10. merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki, Helsingfors, Helsset (linguists)
11. publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
12. add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
13. add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils ( linguists)

Dictionaries

TODO:

• clean up and generalise the make infrastructure
• make Linux and Windows local/integrated versions
• make simple installer applications
• make a public release
  • Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use: xtdoc/gtuit/src/documentation/content/xdocs/dict.eng.xml
  • Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
    • Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)

Hunspell

Hunspell lexicon distributions - DONE:

• Debian tarball - download link
• OOo Lingucomponent package (wiki page)
• zipped lexicon files for manual installation in whatever system the user wants

The Divvun Hunspell lexicon license will be changed to GPL 2+.

TODO:

1. add download links for both available distros - 1.0beta1, sme only (Børre)
   1. done
2. OOo distro readme and installation (Børre)
   1. add links
      1. done
3. zip distro readme and installation (Børre)
   1. add links
      1. done
4. add link to OOo dictionary wiki page (Børre)
   1. done
5. QA README and installation docs (Trond)
   1. started
6. fix the remaining conversion bugs (Børre, Tomi)
   1. continuous
7. change license on distros to GPL2+ (Børre)

Testing

Spelling Error Markup

TODO:

• Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not) (Saara)
• test new and nested error markup (Sjur)

Speller bugs

List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.

Open issues based on test results:

sme

Version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

• 426 - comp words from Divvun.no - guoktedássásaš accepted - still OPEN
• 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers rejected, as well as some complex numbers (but is ok in smj) - still OPEN
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still OPEN
• 600 - gen+hyph compound sámi-dáru - still OPEN
• 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
• 606 - speller accepts VUOHTA compound - still OPEN
• 611 - double hyphen sugg still accepted - still OPEN
• 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 627 - prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted - FIXED
• 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
• 633 - REGRESSION: double hyphens accepted
• 634 - PropGen+hyph+PropGen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
• 646 - adverb + hyphen + noun - still OPEN
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 654 - speller does not recognize ordinals on -nuppelogát - still OPEN
• 655 - pron + nai - still OPEN
• 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN - won't fix
• 666 - guovtte- and njealje- - FIXED
• 676 - triple-hyphen - FIXED, but double hyphen is still accepted
• other regressions:
  • skuvlajagin now accepted
  • skierranis now accepted

smj

Version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-06-02

• 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
  • we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a separate lexicon file
  • please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in smj, as opposed to sme
• 595 - prefix+name wihtout hyphen (tsåhkeLot instead of tsåhke-Lot) - still OPEN
• 599 - REGRESSION: numeral attr: s on lot
• 600 - gen+hyph compound sáme-dáro - still OPEN
• 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - still OPEN, try to find an acro or abbr me
• 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - still OPEN
• 629 - a taking part in compound - still OPEN
• 634 - rop gen + hyphen + Prop gen - still OPEN
• 641 - numeral+noun compounds - still OPEN
• 644 - cased numeral+numeral compund - still OPEN
• 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN
• 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
• 649 - name + adj compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
• 658 - Suggestion saame - still OPEN, won't fix
• 692 - NEW: - numeral-variants
• other regressions:
  • gus NOT accepted anymore

TODO:

• compile new speller lexicons (Tomi)
• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)

Hyphenator bugs

Open issues based on test results :

sme

Lexicon version: Davvisámi, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 468 - REGRESSION: Márkomeanu
• 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas
• 548 - REGRESSION: mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen
• 549 - REGRESSION: division without hyph: Váccedettiin
• 673 - adj-derivations: guovttenuppelotčoarvvagiin (the word is not rec.)
• 677 - NEW: Wrongly hyphenated ending -danidja - invalid

smj

Lexicon version: Julevsáme, version 1.0.1, 2008-04-01

• 545 - REGRESSION: bad hyphenation in compounds: åhpadusorganisásjåvnån (not recognised)
• 546 - REGRESSION: obligatory hyph rules seem to work in facultative manner: organisásjåvnån (not recognised)
• 547 - REGRESSION: hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs

TODO:

• fix hyphenator errors (Tomi)

InDesign tools

Nothing new.

Releases

TODO:

• public hunspell beta - end of May
  • OOo distro released
• update the Changes document (Sjur)
• InDesign documentation (Sjur)
  • Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
• public 1.1 update of the Polderland-based tools beginning of June - postponed till after the summer, due to delays at Polderland (we have also still some bugs to fix)

Trip to Hattfjelldal

See above. But also:

TODO:

• make leaflet to inform about the project
  • write text (Sjur)
  • translate text (Thomas, Jovsset, Maaren)
  • talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about layout, pictures (Jovsset)
  • talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about printing (Jovsset)
• distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi. Gaaltije in Östersund for example. ( Leif Åge, Jovsset, Sjur)

Corpus contracts + open source

Now decided to wait until we have changed from cvs to svn.

Summer vacations

Divvun feedback

Jovsset was at the Giellagiella seminar last week, with language workers. They knew very little about the Divvun project, and what we provide. We need to inform better about ourselves and our "products".

The next meeting is 23.6.2008, 9.30 Norwegian time.

The meeting was closed at 14: 28.

Boerre

• prepare migration to svn (with Sjur, Trond)
• try to repair G5 accounts for iCal Server
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• fix the remaining hunspell conversion bugs
• e-mail to all involved/affected this week, to inform about svn change
• send new svn e-mail 23.6 as a reminder
• write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
• change license on distros to GPL2+
• fix bugs!

Jovsset

• follow up on sma corpus texts
• translate leaflet text
• Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen about layout, pictures for the leaflet.
• Talk to John Marcus Kuhmunen printing
• Presentation on sami publisher meeting
• distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common sami centres in all of Sápmi
• Talk to Leif Åge about CD printing
• Talk to the students at Uppsala University about the Verbh book and the copyrights.

Lene

• get the ped content ready
• Work on test routine with Trond and Sjur

Per-Eric

• follow-up on the smj texts from Kurt Tore ( Per-Eric)
• follow-up contracts from Nord-Salten avis and Lena Davidsson
• Work with missing list same_dutkama_pgr.txt
• Plan a smj pr tour for our tools
• fix bugs!

Saara

• add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
• Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs (source info, used in testing or not, added to lexicon or not)
• implement the ped UI and functionality

Sjur

• follow up on sma corpus texts
• name db/risten.no
• prepare migration to svn (with Børre, Trond)
• update the Changes document
• follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
• InDesign documentation
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• look into other distro's as well: Mac, Windows
• write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
• write leaflet text
• talk to Leif Åge about CD printing
• fix bugs!

Thomas

• look at test cases still not behaving properly
• contact Ulf Stefan Winka for smj texts
• test SVN
• translate leaflet text
• fix bugs!

Tomi

• document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
• fix double hyphen bugs
• fix PL hyphenator errors
• Make a pedagogical speller
• fix bugs!

Trond

• Set up Jabber for Lene, Kimme, Saara
• Prepare svn migration (with Sjur, Børre)
• make a test-all target that runs all tests we have
• define and document testing routines
• Dictionaries
• write/update user documentation: how-to for svn, svn clients
• prepare external users: Meänkieli and Greenlandic groups, Jack Ruether
• fix bugs!.