Meeting_2009-01-05
Contents:
- Meeting setup
- Agenda
- Opening, agenda review, participants
- Updated task status since last meeting
- Pedagogical software online
- Corpus gathering
- Promoting Divvun
- Future plans, directions and ideas
- Infrastructure
- Linguistics
- Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
- Proofing tools
- Other
- Next meeting, closing
- Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Meeting setup
- Date: 5.1.2009
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 10: 59.
Present: Børre, David, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi (text only), Trond
Absent: Ciprian, Jovsset
Agenda accepted.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- leaflet: add Linux info
- Make a divvun-tools download log
-
gt/Makefile remake
- fine tune suggestions
- improve OOo instructions
- increase version number
- done
- done
- changes since 1.0.1
- update our front page when released
- done
- done
- build new hunspell lexicons
- done
- done
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Sjur, Trond)
- improve processing of new corpus documents
- make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
- update the Makefile for generating dictionaries (related to the dictionary
- take care of the error logging during conversion process
- look at the xml conversion quality
- make a list of (general and special) problems related with
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- generate new sme: nob/nob: sme dictionaries in all formats, marking them as
- infrastructure remake - news discussion
- short meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
- dictionary discussion on estethics, layout (with Trond)
- build the first version of smanob-dictionary (both MacDict and StarDict) by
- fix bugs!
David
- continue gathering sma corpus texts
- added some more texts from the web before christmas and started OCR: ing today
- added some more texts from the web before christmas and started OCR: ing today
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- set up a preliminary agenda (with Sjur)
- done
- done
- check in first sketch
- done
- done
- prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
- nothing done
- nothing done
- set up a preliminary agenda (with Sjur)
- call Ristin Persson for permission to use Sámi Radio texts
- still cannot reach her
- still cannot reach her
- integrate adjectives into the analyser
- done
- done
- work with missing lists
- done for now
- done for now
- meet with Maja to discuss corpus gathering
- done
- done
- stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
- not done
- not done
- finnish looking at Ciprians list of words.
- done
- done
- Call Fylkesmannen i Nordland
- called but havn't got a hold on the right person yet
- called but havn't got a hold on the right person yet
- prepare open invitation to Trondheim seminar (withSjur)
- unfortunately forgot to send invitation
Jovsset
- get the list of verbs from the auhtors of Verbh.
- Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version.
- write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
- leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office.
- Write installation instructions for word 2003
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- work with missing lists
Per-Eric
- transfer the smj texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
- follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- subcontractor work for sma proofing tools, MS and Adobe versions
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- set up a preliminary agenda for sma workshop (with David)
- prepare data for each topic at sma workshop (with David and Trond)
- short meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
- leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
- leaflet: add InDesign text
- make an installer for the InDesign Divvun tools
- 1.1 readme - English
- made template, done by Børre
- made template, done by Børre
- installation package for MS Off Mac
- done
- done
- update installation package for MS Off Win
- done
- done
-
fix bugs!
- other things:
- administrative work
- preparations for permanent organisation discussions
- administrative work
Thomas
- gather the smj texts from Nord-Salten avis (online archive)
- not done
- not done
- fine tune suggestions for Hunspell
- is this any more for now?
- is this any more for now?
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- not anything this week
- not anything this week
-
sme->smj lexicon conversion to build bilingual lexicon resources, and
- not done
- not done
- review the readme files for MS tools
- done
- done
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- not done
- not done
-
fix bugs!
- not anything this week
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- not done
- not done
- fix double hyphen bugs
- waiting for PL
- waiting for PL
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- not done
- not done
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- working
- working
- infrastructure remake
- not done
- not done
- document the error type selection feature in ccat
- not done
- not done
- increase speller lex version number
- done
- done
- 1.1 version of MS lexicon
- done
- done
- fix bugs!
Trond
- integrate sma adjectives into the analyser (without morphology)
- Work in progress.
- Work in progress.
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar (with Sjur)
- Not finished.
- Not finished.
- infrastructure remake
- Børre and Ciprian.
- Børre and Ciprian.
- prepare data for each topic at sma workshop (with David and Sjur)
- Not embarked upon.
- Not embarked upon.
- dictionary discussion on estethics, layout (with Ciprian)
- Have a sketch ready, but no meetings yet
- Have a sketch ready, but no meetings yet
- meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
- No meeting yet
- No meeting yet
- clean the smanob data
- Now we go for a new start, after Ciprians new version. Here, I have done some.
- Now we go for a new start, after Ciprians new version. Here, I have done some.
- discuss new-found smj issues (with Lene, Linda, Thomas)
- Improved smj to a certain extent. No meeting so far.
- Improved smj to a certain extent. No meeting so far.
-
fix bugs!.
- Worked on bugs.
Pedagogical software online
Meeting memos can be found at
Oahpa needs a separate domain - what shall it be?
Candidates:
- http: //oahpa.no/
- http: //oahpa.uit.no/
We would prefer the former, but it seems there is a rule that a given IP domain
Corpus gathering
David has found some texts on the net, and is also OCR scanning some books
TODO:
- continue gathering sma corpus texts (David, Jovsset)
- transfer the smj texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
- other contacts: Lena Davidsson, daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
- make a 1-page, light version of the contract, also in Swedish
- Bokmål and Northern Sami versions are commited at xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/adm/legal/short-contract.(nb|se).xml
- Bokmål and Northern Sami versions are commited at xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/adm/legal/short-contract.(nb|se).xml
- discuss infra improvements for corpus rep administration (Børre, Ciprian)
- delayed till we are done with the gt/Makefile improvements
- delayed till we are done with the gt/Makefile improvements
- gather the smj texts from Nord-Salten avis (online archive)
Promoting Divvun
TODO:
- Make a download log (Børre)
- make leaflet to inform about the project (Jovsset, David)
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- add link to OOo installation and usage instructions (Sjur)
- improve OOo instructions (Børre)
- add Linux info (Børre)
- add InDesign text (Sjur) - requires installer
- review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office 2003
- text (Jovsset)
- text (Jovsset)
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- write a short memo from the meeting with John Marcus ( Jovsset)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- permanent chat rooms
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
-
Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
- update/add missing parts
- differ between target groups
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- change the look of the documentation web
- sfst?
- replacement for xfst -> see omorf
,
- replacement for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
- replacement for xfst -> see omorf
,
- investigate the NSIS installer,
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target
SVN issues:
- http access not yet available (https only at the moment, but it works as
- read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
-
gt/*/polderland should be protected
-
plan should be protected
-
gt/*/polderland should be protected
- certain users need to be on the UiT VPN to be able to commit (bug #705)
- UTF-8 problem in svn commit mails: the commit log text is garbled
TODO:
- infrastructure remake: ( Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- merge gt, kt and st into one
- modularised preprocess and spellrelax
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- follow-up migration to svn:
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
- completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
- completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
- prepare and discuss with external users: Jack Ruether (Trond)
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
- test iCal Server (on G5) (Børre)
- remove TOC from the giellatekno home page by using dispatcher (Trond)
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
South Sámi
TODO:
- step two for adjectives (David, Trond, Sjur)
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs (Sjur, Trond)
- Missing list (focus on closed class words and addition on missing nouns,
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- date: last week of February (23.-27.) seems to work fine with SGL/South Sámi
- Place: tentatively Trondheim, nothing decided, no meeting rooms ordered
- we'll cover travel and hotel expenses
- we'll invite both SGL and as many of the other key persons in the sma
- set up a preliminary agenda (David, Sjur)
- check in first sketch
- send copy of letter to Sjur
- check in first sketch
- prepare data for each topic (David, Sjur, Trond)
- prepare open invitation to Trondheim seminar (David, Sjur)
- date: last week of February (23.-27.) seems to work fine with SGL/South Sámi
- clean the smanob data (Trond with some help)
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:
- no major rework on the present search interface now
- no work on the editing section; instead:
- add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
- add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality
This means the following tasks:
- find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
- convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
- convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
- add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)
TODO:
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
Dictionaries
Status
- sma-nob first alpha released internally before Christmas. Needs morphology.
- We need to finish one dictionary till the oahpa release:
- a subset of smenob / nobsme with the Álgosátnegirji and oahpa lemmas.
TODO:
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- make simple installer applications
- make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries (Sjur)
- short meeting to go through missing points before a release
Proofing tools
Hunspell
Beta6 released as part of the 1.1 release of the Divvun tools. Report all bug
TODO:
- work on and debug compounds (Børre, Thomas)
OpenXSpell
Working everywhere (almost) in MacOS X applications, provides Sámi spell
There are two issues:
- strings with non-ASCII chars are always flagged
- asking for suggestions on words witn non-ASCII chars crashes OpenXSpell
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
- nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new ccat feature
Speller testing
TODO:
- test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)
- document the feature (Tomi)
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.
Status as of the 1.1 release: 12 open sme bugs, 8 open smj bugs.
Open issues based on test results:
sme
- 397 - see 449 - FIXED
- 425 - X not recognized; single letters were left out - OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 581 - consonant doubling - still OPEN, but input words are real words also
-
FIXED?
-
FIXED?
- 593 - Missing words in beta 2 - FIXED
- 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
- 597 - does not recognize nubbelohki - FIXED
- 599 - numeral attr: s on lot - oktalot not recognized - FIXED
- 'oktalot' - 10? or 11?
- 'oktalot' - 10? or 11?
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - REGRESSION: compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 655 - pron + nai - FIXED
- sme.fst does not recognise it either; it should be fixed in lexc
- sme.fst does not recognise it either; it should be fixed in lexc
- 696 - numerals + NAMAT-adjs + vuohta - FIXED
- 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
smj
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 589 - suggestions involving vowel-replacement - FIXED
- isn't tjåhkkåjit a word, Thomas? - Tomi: word was removed from testfile? Th: yes, it seems to be a word
- isn't tjåhkkåjit a word, Thomas? - Tomi: word was removed from testfile? Th: yes, it seems to be a word
- 594 - lågenanguoktáj not recognized - FIXED
- 595 - prefix+name as split comp without hyphen - still OPEN
- 596 - REGRESSION: C-giellan is not accepted
- 616 - Bispadime-me-ráden - FIXED
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
- 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but
- 711 - REGRESSION: numeral compounds and cases (10-biejvvásattja)
- test case seems to be incorrect; Th: yes, I have corrected now
TODO:
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
- 468 - Márkomeanu - still OPEN
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas - still OPEN
- 548 - mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen - still OPEN
- 549 - division without hyph: Váccedettiin - still OPEN
smj
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs -
- 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is not rec.; Bug #711) - still OPEN
TODO:
- fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)
InDesign tools
TODO:
- make an installer for the InDesign Divvun tools (Sjur)
Releases
TODO:
- update the Changes document (Sjur)
-
Børre did it
-
Børre did it
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
- prepare 1.1 release soon
- target date: December 17
- released 31.12.2008
- target date: December 17
1.1 Release
TODO:
- increase version number (Børre, Tomi)
- done
- done
- 1.1 version of MS tools
- lexicon (Tomi)
- done
- done
- changes since 1.0.1 (Børre)
- done
- done
- lexicon (Tomi)
- 1.0betaX for OOo/hunspell
- lexicon (Børre)
- done
- done
- readme - English (Børre, Sjur)
- done
- done
- lexicon (Børre)
- installation package for MS Off Mac (Sjur)
- done
- done
- update installation package for MS Off Win (Sjur)
- done
- done
- review the readme files for MS tools (Thomas)
- done
- done
- update our front page when released (Børre)
- done
- done
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- not yet done
Other
Sámi week in Tromsø
Sigbjørn Skåden has asked the UiT gang to demonstrate etc at the Tromsø city
- ped tools
- Sámi dictionaries
- Sámi proofing tools
- other things?
Text to speech
Antti has hinted at the possibility of doing beta versions of other
Corpus contracts + open source
Postponed until the svn repository is fully functional (it is too open now).
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 12.1.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.
David possibly away next Monday.
The meeting was closed at 12: 30.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- leaflet: add Linux info
- Make a divvun-tools download log
-
gt/Makefile remake
- fine tune suggestions
- improve OOo instructions
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Sjur, Trond)
- improve processing of new corpus documents
- make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
- update the Makefile for generating dictionaries (related to the dictionary
- take care of the error logging during conversion process
- look at the xml conversion quality
- make a list of (general and special) problems related with
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- generate new sme: nob/nob: sme dictionaries in all formats, marking them as
- infrastructure remake - news discussion
- short meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
- dictionary discussion on estethics, layout (with Trond)
- build the first version of smanob-dictionary (both MacDict and StarDict) by
- fix bugs!
David
- continue gathering sma corpus texts
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
- prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
- call Ristin Persson for permission to use Sámi Radio texts
- stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
- Call Fylkesmannen i Nordland
- send open invitation to Trondheim seminar to Joseph (with Sjur)
- Contact Sig-Britt Persson about corpus texts and Seminar
- Translate light version contract to swedish
- Contact Lena Kappfjell and Lajla Mattsson Magga about seminar
Jovsset
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- get the list of verbs from the auhtors of Verbh.
- Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version.
- write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
- leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office.
- Write installation instructions for word 2003
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- work with missing lists
Per-Eric
- transfer the smj texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
- follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
- fix bugs!
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
- implement the ped UI and functionality
Sjur
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- subcontractor work for sma proofing tools, MS and Adobe versions
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- set up a preliminary agenda for sma workshop (with David)
- prepare data for each topic at sma workshop (with David and Trond)
- short meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
- leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
- leaflet: add InDesign text
- make an installer for the InDesign Divvun tools
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- gather the smj texts from Nord-Salten avis (online archive)
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- infrastructure remake
- document the error type selection feature in ccat
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC (with Børre)
- prepare data for each topic at sma workshop (with David and Sjur)
- dictionary discussion on estethics, layout (with Ciprian)
- meeting to go through missing points before a dictionary release
- fix bugs!.