Meeting_2009-01-19
Contents:
- Meeting setup
- Agenda
- Opening, agenda review, participants
- Updated task status since last meeting
- Pedagogical software online
- Corpus gathering
- Promoting Divvun
- Future plans, directions and ideas
- Infrastructure
- Linguistics
- Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
- Proofing tools
- Other
- Next meeting, closing
- Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Meeting setup
- Date: 19.1.2009
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 09: 50.
Present: Børre, Ciprian, David, Jovsset, Maja Lisa, Sjur, Thomas, Tomi
Absent: Trond
Agenda accepted.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- map oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/
- done
- done
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- not done
- not done
- leaflet: add Linux info
- not done
- not done
- Make a divvun-tools download log
- done
- done
-
gt/Makefile remake
- nothing new
- nothing new
- fine tune suggestions
- not done
- not done
- improve OOo instructions
- Not done.
- Not done.
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- todo
- todo
- improve processing of new corpus documents
- todo
- todo
- make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
- ongoing
- ongoing
- update the Makefile for generating dictionaries (related to the dictionary
- ongoing
- ongoing
- take care of the error logging during conversion process
- todo
- todo
- look at the xml conversion quality
- todo
- todo
- make a list of (general and special) problems related with
- todo
- todo
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- ongoing
- ongoing
- build the intelligent sma: nob dict in mac-format
- ongoing
- ongoing
- build the sami-week-version of sme: nob in all formats
- ongoing
- ongoing
- infrastructure remake - news discussion
- ongoing
- ongoing
-
fix bugs!
- todo
David
- continue gathering sma corpus texts
- no news this week
- no news this week
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- sent more invitations through mail and Facebook
- prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
- ongoing
- ongoing
- sent more invitations through mail and Facebook
- call Ristin Persson for permission to use Sámi Radio texts
- finally done and have now gotten permission from her and uploaded the texts
- finally done and have now gotten permission from her and uploaded the texts
- stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
- not done, no work on it in Tromsø and not later. C-students gather on
- not done, no work on it in Tromsø and not later. C-students gather on
- Call Fylkesmannen i Nordland
- didn't get in touch with the right person there and afterwards not called
- didn't get in touch with the right person there and afterwards not called
- Translate light version contract to swedish
- not done (I think)
- not done (I think)
- Contact Lena Kappfjell and Lajla Mattsson Magga about seminar
- done, reached both om them about seminar
- done, reached both om them about seminar
- find a conference location for our sma seminar in Trondheim
- not done
Jovsset
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- get the list of verbs from the auhtors of Verbh.
- Not done
- Not done
- Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version.
- Not done
- Not done
- write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
- leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office.
- Not done
- Not done
- Write installation instructions for word 2003
- Not done
- Not done
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- Not done
- Not done
- work with missing lists
- Not done
Per-Eric
- transfer the smj texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
- follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
- fix bugs!
Saara
- map oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
Sjur
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- subcontractor work for sma proofing tools, MS and Adobe versions
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- prepare data for each topic at sma workshop (with David and Trond)
- leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
- leaflet: add InDesign text
-
fix bugs!
- other things:
- meeting in Oslo re Sámi characters in major public registers
- travel to Luxembourg to attend the presentation of the Language Technology
- meeting in Oslo re Sámi characters in major public registers
Thomas
- check for documents with many red underlines in Nordsalten Avis, and use those
- done
- done
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- not done
- not done
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- not anything this week
- not anything this week
-
fix bugs!
- some work
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- not done
- not done
- fix double hyphen bugs
- not done
- not done
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- worked with
- worked with
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- not done
- not done
- infrastructure remake
- not done
- not done
- document the error type selection feature in ccat
- done
- done
- make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools
- looked at Mac Office installer make
- looked at Mac Office installer make
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative
- not done
- not done
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC (with Børre)
- not done
- not done
- prepare data for each topic at sma workshop (with David and Sjur)
- not done
- not done
- dictionary discussion on estethics, layout (with Ciprian)
- Discussed, I think we have
- Discussed, I think we have
- Register oahpa.no
- Not done travelled too much for that. But oahpa.uit.no is working.
- Not done travelled too much for that. But oahpa.uit.no is working.
-
fix bugs!.
- Worked on some
Pedagogical software online
http://oahpa.uit.no is now working.
Meeting memos can be found at
TODO
- Register oahpa.no (Trond)
- not done
- not done
- "bind" oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no (and oapha.uit.no to oahpa.uit.no)
- done
- done
- map oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/ (Børre, Saara?)
- done
- done
- Beta test at lib and give feedback (all)
Corpus gathering
TODO:
- continue gathering sma corpus texts (David, Jovsset)
- Sámi Radio texts from the last two years added
- older texts would be very welcome as well (David)
-
Maja: NRK Nord-Trøndelag has a lot of recordings in sma, possibly
-
David: called Fylkesmannen i Nordland about sma material, but could
- we should call Fritz Jakobssen, husband of Anna Jakobssen, to get
- Š-bláđđi has some articles in sma, we should ask for permission to use it
- follow up on the sma Bible translations (David)
- meeting on Friday 23rd 09: 30 AM to discuss further sma corpus gathering
- Sámi Radio texts from the last two years added
- transfer the smj texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
- remind him (Thomas)
- remind him (Thomas)
- other contacts: Lena Davidsson, daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
- make a 1-page, light version of the contract, also in Swedish
- Bokmål and Northern Sami versions are commited at xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/adm/legal/short-contract.(nb|se).xml
- Bokmål and Northern Sami versions are commited at xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/adm/legal/short-contract.(nb|se).xml
- discuss infra improvements for corpus rep administration (Børre, Ciprian)
- delayed till we are done with the gt/Makefile improvements
- delayed till we are done with the gt/Makefile improvements
- check for documents from Nord-Salten with many red underlines, and use
- done - they contain roughly 50 spelling errors, of 1238 words in total (≈ 4%)
Promoting Divvun
Contact in Røyrvik has invited David to present the project, and also
TODO:
- Make a download log (Børre)
- done, see http://www.divvun.no/Download_log.html
- update the page once a month (week?)
- done, see http://www.divvun.no/Download_log.html
- make leaflet to inform about the project (Jovsset, David)
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- add link to OOo installation and usage instructions (Sjur)
- improve OOo instructions (Børre)
- add Linux info (Børre)
- add InDesign text (Sjur) - requires installer
- review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office 2003
- text (Jovsset)
- text (Jovsset)
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- write a short memo from the meeting with John Marcus ( Jovsset)
- prepare to go to Røyrvik and promote Dåvvome (David)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- permanent chat rooms
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
-
Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
- update/add missing parts
- differ between target groups
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- change the look of the documentation web
- sfst?
- replacement for xfst -> see omorf
,
- replacement for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
- replacement for xfst -> see omorf
,
- investigate the NSIS installer,
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target
SVN issues:
- http access not yet available (https only at the moment, but it works as
- read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
-
gt/*/polderland should be protected
-
plan should be protected
-
gt/*/polderland should be protected
- certain users need to be on the UiT VPN to be able to commit (bug #705)
- UTF-8 problem in svn commit mails: the commit log text is garbled
SVN mail issue - solved.
TODO:
- infrastructure remake: ( Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- merge gt, kt and st into one
- modularised preprocess and spellrelax
- more modularised make / build infra (prepare for smn, sms, sjd, others)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- follow-up migration to svn:
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
- completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
- completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
- prepare and discuss with external users: Jack Ruether (Trond)
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
- test iCal Server (on G5) (Børre)
- remove TOC from the giellatekno home page by using dispatcher (Trond)
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
South Sámi
TODO:
- step two for adjectives (David, Maja, Trond, Sjur)
- meeting Wednesday 9: 30 this week (Maja, Sjur, Trond)
- meeting Wednesday 9: 30 this week (Maja, Sjur, Trond)
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs (Sjur, Trond)
- Missing list (focus on closed class words and addition on missing nouns,
-
David made a new missing list from an OCR-ed book
-
David made a new missing list from an OCR-ed book
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- date: last week of February (23.-27.) seems to work fine with SGL/South Sámi
- Place: Trondheim, no meeting rooms ordered (Maja, Sjur)
- call our travel agency
- call the Univ.
- call our travel agency
- we'll cover travel and hotel expenses
- we'll invite both SGL/SGM and as many of the other key persons in the sma
- done
- done
- work on the agenda (David, Sjur)
- prepare data for each topic (David, Sjur, Trond)
- prepare open invitation to Trondheim seminar (David, Sjur)
- done
- done
- make a list in svn of people coming (David)
- date: last week of February (23.-27.) seems to work fine with SGL/South Sámi
- clean the smanob data (Trond with some help)
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms
From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:
- no major rework on the present search interface now
- no work on the editing section; instead:
- add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
- add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality
This means the following tasks:
- find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
- convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
- convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
- add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)
TODO:
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
Dictionaries
Status
- We need to finish one dictionary till the oahpa release:
- a subset of smenob / nobsme with the Álgosátnegirji and oahpa lemmas.
fst dic verbs 3938# 1490 nouns 4372* 979 * = no trans # = trans to swedish
- add the additional verbs, with the swedish translations marked as such
- add the swedish translations for all verbs
- add morpho for the whole dict
- take both translations? yes
syntax of verb-sma-lex.txt:
lemma:stem CONTLEX "translation" ;
Needed in dictionary: lemma, declension class and translation.
Milestone for smanob:
TODO:
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- make simple installer applications
- make a public release
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
- Clarify the difference between local and online dictionaries:
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
- Plugin for Firefox and Internet Explorer (online dictionaries)
- Make a homepage with instructions for dictionary use:
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries (Sjur)
- short meeting to go through missing points before a release
Proofing tools
Hunspell
TODO:
- work on and debug compounds (Børre, Thomas)
OpenXSpell
Working everywhere (almost) in MacOS X applications, provides Sámi spell
There are two issues:
- strings with non-ASCII chars are always flagged
- asking for suggestions on words witn non-ASCII chars crashes OpenXSpell
Another option could be CheckSpell. Seems to be more stable and developed. See
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
- nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new ccat feature
Speller testing
TODO:
- test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)
- document the feature (Tomi)
- done
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland: 621, 630, 652, 656, 676.
Status as of the 1.1 release: 13 open sme bugs, 9 open smj bugs.
Open issues based on test results:
sme
- 425 - X not recognized; single letters were left out - OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 581 - consonant doubling - still OPEN
- 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - REGRESSION: compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
smj
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 595 - prefix+name as split comp without hyphen - still OPEN
- 596 - REGRESSION: C-giellan is not accepted
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
- 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but
- 711 - REGRESSION: numeral compounds and cases (10-biejvvásattja)
TODO:
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
- 468 - Márkomeanu - still OPEN
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas - still OPEN
- 548 - mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen - still OPEN
- 549 - division without hyph: Váccedettiin - still OPEN
smj
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs -
- 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is
TODO:
- fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)
Installer changes
TODO:
- make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools (Tomi)
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative (Tomi)
User documentation
TODO:
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
1.1 Release
TODO:
- write a short e-mail about the release, and send it to our release e-mail list
- done, also added a short article on the SD front page.
Other
Sámi week in Tromsø
Sigbjørn Skåden has asked the UiT gang to demonstrate etc at the Tromsø city
- ped tools
- Sámi dictionaries
- Sámi proofing tools
- other things?
- European Charter for regional languages will have a meeting, Jovvset and Trond
Launch ped + dict
- interviews with media
- library - demos
- talk at univ, wednesday (Trond)
Text to speech
Antti has hinted at the possibility of doing beta versions of other
Corpus contracts + open source
Postponed until the svn repository is fully functional (it is too open now).
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 26.1.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.
The meeting was closed at 11: 52.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC
- meeting on Friday 23rd 09: 30 AM to discuss further sma corpus gathering
- improve OOo instructions for leaflet
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- leaflet: add Linux info
-
gt/Makefile remake
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- improve processing of new corpus documents
- make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
- update the Makefile for generating dictionaries (related to the dictionary
- take care of the error logging during conversion process
- look at the xml conversion quality
- make a list of (general and special) problems related with
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- build the intelligent sma: nob dict in mac-format
- build the sami-week-version of sme: nob in all formats
- infrastructure remake - news discussion
- fix bugs!
David
- continue gathering sma corpus texts
- prepare a workshop on South Sámi orthography and grammar (David)
- prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
- prepare data for each topic (with Sjur and Trond)
- stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
- Translate light version contract to swedish
- find a conference location for our sma seminar in Trondheim
- contact the sami radio about older manuscrips
- call Anne-Grethe Bientie and Bierna Bientie about bible texts
- call Š-blađđi about south saami texts
- call Anna-Sööfe about permission for Åarjelsaemien 1-6
- reupload the Dejpeladtje muvhth vätnoeh jih vuekie text, which is
- send a mail/letter to SGM about hotell rooms
- make list of the peaple who have confirmed participation
- prepare to go to Røyrvik and promote Dåvvome
- meeting on Friday 23rd 09: 30 AM to discuss further sma corpus gathering
Jovsset
- get the list of verbs from the auhtors of Verbh.
- Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version.
- write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
- leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office.
- Write installation instructions for word 2003
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- work with missing lists
- Write a short summary of meeting with John-Marchs Kuhmunen considering the
- meeting on Friday 23rd 09: 30 AM to discuss further sma corpus gathering
Per-Eric
- transfer the smj texts by Kurt Tore and Ulf Stefan Winka to our
- follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
- fix bugs!
Maja
- contact NRK Nord-Trøndelag about recordings in sma and broadcast
- follow up contact with Fylkesmannen i Nordland about sma material
- call Fritz Jakobssen to get permission to use Anna's manuscripts
- meeting on Friday 23rd 09: 30 AM to discuss further sma corpus gathering
- adjective meeting Wednesday 9: 30 this week
- order meeting rooms
Saara
- map oahpa.uit.no to gtsvn.uit.no/oahpa/
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
Sjur
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- subcontractor work for sma proofing tools, MS and Adobe versions
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- prepare data for each topic at sma workshop (with David and Trond)
- leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
- leaflet: add InDesign text
- meeting on Friday 23rd 09: 30 AM to discuss further sma corpus gathering
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- work on and debug compounds in Hunspell
- look at test cases still not behaving properly
- remind Per-Eric about transferring documents from Ulf Stefan Winka
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- infrastructure remake
- make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC (with Børre)
- prepare data for each topic at sma workshop (with David and Sjur)
- Register oahpa.no
- fix bugs!.