Meeting_2009-03-09
Contents:
- Meeting setup
- Agenda
- Opening, agenda review, participants
- Updated task status since last meeting
- Pedagogical software online
- Corpus gathering
- Promoting Divvun
- Future plans, directions and ideas
- Infrastructure
- Linguistics
- Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
- Proofing tools
- Other
- Next meeting, closing
- Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Meeting setup
- Date: 9.3.2009
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 10: 07.
Present:
Absent: Trond
Agenda accepted as is.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC
- not done
- not done
- improve OOo instructions for leaflet
- not done
- not done
- leaflet: add Linux info
- not done
- not done
-
gt/Makefile remake
- meeting last week
- meeting last week
- Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve.
- waiting for Sjur to set up the risten beta on the xserve. The software
- waiting for Sjur to set up the risten beta on the xserve. The software
- make a screencast of using our tools
- made screencasts on keyboard howto for Win and Linux, MS Office install for
- made screencasts on keyboard howto for Win and Linux, MS Office install for
- get a headset with microphone for Maja
- done
- done
- make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Ciprian, Sjur, Tomi, Trond
- done
- done
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- todo (but see also Børre's info about the possibility of that)
- todo (but see also Børre's info about the possibility of that)
- improve processing of new corpus documents
- todo
- todo
- make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
- ongoing
- ongoing
- take care of the error logging during conversion process
- todo
- todo
- look at the xml conversion quality
- todo
- todo
- make a list of (general and special) problems related with
- todo
- todo
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- ongoing
- ongoing
- build the sami-week-version of sme: nob in all formats
- ongoing
- ongoing
- build the first intelligent sma_nob/swe:
- almost done: only the sma-specific features have to be displayed
- (however only for verbs at the moment)
- almost done: only the sma-specific features have to be displayed
- make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Børre, Sjur, Tomi, Trond
- done
- installed and tried the Makefile_GraphViz tool (a normalization step might be necessary)
- done
-
fix bugs!
- todo (I will prioritize the bug with the special characters not displayed well in the log message)
David
- continue gathering sma corpus texts
- ongoing
- ongoing
- stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
- disussed thesises with two students last week
- disussed thesises with two students last week
- Translate light version contract to swedish
- half done. But is the contract ready for translation?
- half done. But is the contract ready for translation?
- contact the sami radio about older manuscrips
- not done
- not done
- call Anne-Grethe Bientie and Bierna Bientie about bible texts
- not done
- not done
- call Š-blađđi about south saami texts
- not done
- not done
- reupload the Dejpeladtje muvhth vätnoeh jih vuekie text, which is
- not done
- not done
- prepare to go to Røyrvik and promote Dåvvome
- no date decided yet
- no date decided yet
-
sma abbreviations
- not done
- not done
- make a document for the SGL/SGM, sma section
- not done
- not done
-
sma adjectives
- not done
Jovsset
- get the list of verbs from the auhtors of Verbh.
- Is this one still to be taken into consideration?
- Is this one still to be taken into consideration?
- Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version.
- Working on it
- Working on it
- write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
- Not done
- Not done
- leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office.
- In progress
- In progress
- Write installation instructions for word 2003
- Not done
- Not done
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- Not done
- Not done
- work with missing lists
- Not done
- Not done
-
sma placenames
- Not done
Per-Eric
- follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
- Call Gøran Matias Andersen about his smj texts
- work with missing lists
- fix bugs!
Maja
- contact NRK Nord-Trøndelag about recordings in sma and broadcast
- Not done - wait
- Not done - wait
- more work on sma adjectives
- done
- done
- send Fritz Jakobssen and Nora Bransfjell a contract
- done
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
Sjur
- name db/risten.no
- TBD
- TBD
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- TBD
- TBD
- InDesign documentation
- TBD
- TBD
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- TBD
- TBD
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- TBD
- TBD
- subcontractor work for sma proofing tools
- mostly done, waiting for some details before signing
- mostly done, waiting for some details before signing
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- waiting for answer
- waiting for answer
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- waiting for answer
- waiting for answer
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- waiting for answer
- waiting for answer
- leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
- TBD
- TBD
- leaflet: add InDesign text
- TBD
- TBD
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site)
- TBD
- TBD
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe
- TBD
- TBD
- make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Børre, Ciprian, Tomi, Trond
- done
- done
- meeting Thursday 9.30 to go through the present installers
- finally done
- finally done
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
-
fix bugs!
- other issues:
- startup meeting for the permanent maintenance and development organisation
- applied for money to build a first systematic test run using our test bench.
- travel expense forms
- other bureaucratic tasks
- startup meeting for the permanent maintenance and development organisation
Thomas
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- done as much as I can do for now with the derivations, some questions must be
- done as much as I can do for now with the derivations, some questions must be
-
sma adjectives
- not done
- not done
-
fix bugs!
- not anything this week
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- not done
- not done
- fix double hyphen bugs
- not done
- not done
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- not done
- not done
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- not done
- not done
- infrastructure remake
- not done
- not done
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative
- installed NSIS and looked at it
- installed NSIS and looked at it
- meeting Thursday 09.30 to go through the present installers
- done
- done
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- not done
- not done
- make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Børre, Ciprian, Sjur, Trond
- done
- done
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Register oahpa.no
- end user documentation (how to download and install) - dictionaries
- make remake meeting Wednesday 13.00 with Børre, Ciprian, Sjur, Tomi
- fix bugs!.
Pedagogical software online
Meeting memos can be found at
TODO
- Register oahpa.no (Trond)
Corpus gathering
Maja sent out some contracts last week.
TODO:
- continue gathering sma corpus texts (David, Jovsset)
- older sámi radio texts would be very welcome as well (David)
-
Maja: NRK Nord-Trøndelag has a lot of recordings in sma, possibly
- call Fylkesmannen i Nordland about sma material (Maja)
- send Fritz Jakobssen a contract (Maja)
- Sent
- Sent
- send Nora Marie Brandsfjell a contract (Maja)
- Sent
- Sent
- Š-bláđđi has some articles in sma, we should ask for permission to use it
- follow up on the sma Bible translations (David)
- the Gun Utsi book is almost there - one contract missing (Jovsset)
- older sámi radio texts would be very welcome as well (David)
- other contacts: Lena Davidsson, daughter to Lars-Matto Tuolja
- make a 1-page, light version of the contract, also in Swedish
- Bokmål and Northern Sami versions are commited at xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/adm/legal/short-contract.(nb|se).xml
- meeting to go through the 1-page version Feb. 11, at 9: 30 Norw. time
- Bokmål and Northern Sami versions are commited at xtdoc/sd/src/documentation/content/xdocs/adm/legal/short-contract.(nb|se).xml
- discuss infra improvements for corpus rep administration (Børre, Ciprian)
- delayed till we are done with the gt/Makefile improvements
- delayed till we are done with the gt/Makefile improvements
- make a document for listing all gathered texts, with the collection history
- one big file
- collector (initials)
- date of each contact with authors, translators, publisher, with a short note
- date of signed contract arriving at SD
- ref. number (archive number) of the contract
- title - key
- author(s) - key
- meta info:
- title - key
- author(s) - key
- license
- if free license, links to available versions (online source, corpus version)
- orig. language
- translated language(s)
- translator(s)
- title - key
- one big file
Promoting Divvun
We need more promotions of the Divvun tools. Making a movie demonstrating its
Next tour de Divvun probably in week 13. Per-Eric has talked to Sámij
TODO:
- make leaflet to inform about the project (Jovsset, David)
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- add link to OOo installation and usage instructions (Sjur)
- improve OOo instructions (Børre)
- add Linux info (Børre)
- add InDesign text (Sjur) - requires installer
- review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office 2003
- text (Jovsset)
- text (Jovsset)
- leaflet meeting on Wednesday at 9.30 Norw. time (Jovsset, Børre, Sjur)
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- prepare to go to Røyrvik and promote Dåvvome (David)
- old date cancelled, no new date, but probably in April
- old date cancelled, no new date, but probably in April
- make a screencast of using our tools (Børre)
- first screencasts made, links to appear
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- permanent chat rooms
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
-
Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
- update/add missing parts
- differ between target groups
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- change the look of the documentation web
- sfst?
- replacement for xfst -> see omorf
,
- replacement for hunspell/open-source proofing tools
- replacement for xfst -> see omorf
,
- investigate the NSIS installer,
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target
SVN issues:
- http access not yet available (https only at the moment, but it works as
- read access to the whole repo is working, BUT:
-
gt/*/polderland should be protected
-
plan should be protected
-
gt/*/polderland should be protected
- certain users need to be on the UiT VPN to be able to commit (bug #705)
- UTF-8 problem in svn commit mails: the commit log text is garbled
TODO:
- infrastructure remake: ( Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- follow-up migration to svn:
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
- completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
- completely closed at the moment, until we have solved the path-based control
- prepare and discuss with external users: Jack Ruether (Trond)
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths (Ciprian)
- test iCal Server (on G5) (Børre)
- remove TOC from the giellatekno home page by using dispatcher (Trond)
- get a headset with microphone for Maja (Børre)
- done
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
South Sámi
Thomas made a lot of work on sma, but can't get further without work on
TODO:
- reformulate the proper noun grammar according to the Trondheim discussions
- Missing list (focus on closed class words and addition on missing nouns,
-
David made a new missing list from an OCR-ed book
-
David made a new missing list from an OCR-ed book
- make a document for the SGL/SGM, sma section (David with
- placenames (Jovsset)
- abbreviations (David)
- placenames (Jovsset)
- finish the umlaut / derivation work (Thomas, Sjur, Tomi)
- adjectives (Maja with David, Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms
From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:
- no major rework on the present search interface now
- no work on the editing section; instead:
- add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
- add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality
This means the following tasks:
- find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
- convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
- convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
- add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)
TODO:
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
Dictionaries
Ciprian is working towards our first sma-nob/swe dictionary, coming today?
TODO:
- Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve.
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site) (Sjur)
- not yet done
- not yet done
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe (Sjur)
- waiting for the above
- waiting for the above
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- end user documentation (how to download and install) (Ciprian, Trond)
- started, not complete
- started, not complete
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
Proofing tools
Hunspell
The version we have at the moment (beta6) will be our last one for a while.
OpenXSpell
As a middle-man between Enchant and MacOS X speller API, this is still
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- Set up ways of adding meta-information (source info, used in testing or not,
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
- nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new ccat feature
Speller testing
TODO:
- test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)
Testing open-source Norwegian spellers
Sjur has invited the open-source group to test their spell-checker using our
We should go to their developer meetings, and present our work and how to work
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland:
- 621
- 630
- 652
- 656
- 676
Open issues based on test results:
sme
- 399 - REGERSSION: missing numerals (plural forms)
- 425 - X not recognized; single letters were left out - OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 581 - consonant doubling - seems FIXED
- 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA - OPEN
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - still OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
- 779 - caseforms of pronoun okatahat
smj
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 594 - REGRESSION: lågenanguoktáj not recognized
- 595 - prefix+name as split comp without hyphen - still OPEN
- 596 - C-giellan is not accepted - OPEN
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - still OPEN
- 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
- 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but
TODO:
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
- 468 - Márkomeanu - still OPEN
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas - still OPEN
- 548 - mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen - still OPEN
- 549 - division without hyph: Váccedettiin - still OPEN
smj
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs -
- 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is
TODO:
- fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)
Installer changes
TODO:
- make a Mac installer for the InDesign Divvun tools (Tomi)
- replace InstallShield with an open-source alternative (Tomi)
- test InDesign installer (Sjur)
- meeting Thursday 9: 30 to go through the present installers (Sjur, Tomi)
- done
User documentation
TODO:
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
1.2 release
Content:
- several smj bug fixes
- lexicalisations
- InDesign Mac & Win
- new OOo beta
- improved installers, at least for Mac, preferably also for Windows
Other
South Sámi seminar follow-up
We should make a final list of who went to the hotel when, to check the final bill from the hotel. Sjur will discuss this with David.
Travelling plans in the coming months
- Stockholm 19.3. - Sjur
- Trondheim - sma school conference - 25-26.4. - David
- Project board meeting in Karasjok, ca 15.4. - Sjur
- Nesna conference on sma education and research, especially language
- link? date? (sometime in May)
-
Maja could go there
- link? date? (sometime in May)
- NODALIDA, Odense, 14-16.5. - Sjur, Trond, Lene, ...
Winter holidays
Who | When |
---|---|
Sjur | 16-20.2. |
David | 19-20.2. |
Børre | nothing |
Maja | nothing |
Thomas | probably away some day or some hours this week, second week in March |
Trond | not holiday, but going to Greenland 16.2.-10.3. |
Tomi | nothing |
Jovsset | nothing |
School in Troms have second week in March.
Text to speech
The TTS meeting with Antti was held (without Maja and Thomas). Topics:
- what kind of feedback is needed from us? Quite a lot of linguistics
TNC, rikstermbanken and Sámi terms
RTB will be released:
- Datum: torsdagen den 19 mars 2009
- Tid: 14.00–15.00 (följt av mingel fram till 16.00)
- Plats: Rosenbads konferenscenter, Drottninggatan 1, Stockholm
Available at: http://www.rikstermbanken.se
Corpus contracts + open source
Postponed until the svn repository is fully functional (it is too open now).
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 16.3.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.
The meeting was closed at 12: 08.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC
- improve OOo instructions for leaflet
- leaflet: add Linux info
-
gt/Makefile remake
- Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve.
- add sound to screencast of using our tools
- make a document for listing all gathered texts, with the collection history
- leaflet meeting on Wednesday at 9.30 Norw. time (with Jovsset, Sjur)
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- close the open SVN repository at requested paths
- improve processing of new corpus documents
- make the pipeline of StarDict dictionary generation running on the Mac
- take care of the error logging during conversion process
- look at the xml conversion quality
- make a list of (general and special) problems related with
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- build the sami-week-version of sme: nob in all formats
- finish the sma: nob-swe dictionary
- try the first usable GraphViz picture for the make re-make goal
- start learning Objective C (without objection ;-))
- fix bugs!
David
- continue gathering sma corpus texts
- stay in touch with UmU about c-thesises in south sami
- Translate light version contract to swedish
- contact the sami radio about older manuscrips
- call Anne-Grethe Bientie and Bierna Bientie about bible texts
- call Š-blađđi about south saami texts
- reupload the Dejpeladtje muvhth vätnoeh jih vuekie text, which is
- prepare to go to Røyrvik and promote Dåvvome
- make a document for the SGL/SGM, sma section
-
sma abbreviations in the SGM document
-
sma adjectives
- go to Trondheim
Jovsset
- get the list of verbs from the auhtors of Verbh.
- Find a suitable infrastructure for the distribution of the CD version.
- write formal letter to translator of Gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieminie
- leaflet: review the Windows pictures, and usage instructions for MS Office.
- Write installation instructions for word 2003
- better Windows usage descriptions, with emphasis on the pitfalls
- Work with the Leaflet, deadline next monday 16.03.2009
-
sma placenames in SGM document
- leaflet meeting on Wednesday at 9.30 Norw. time (with Børre, Sjur)
Per-Eric
- follow-up contract from Lena Davidsson
- Call Gøran Matias Andersen about his smj texts
- work with missing lists
- fix bugs!
Maja
- contact NRK Nord-Trøndelag about recordings in sma and broadcast
- more work on sma adjectives
- Send Åsta Vangberg a contract
- Send Lena Kappfjell and Harald Gaski a contract
- Send Sig-Britt Pärsson a contract -
- Need to start programming- fresh up/learn to program adjektives and verbs
Saara
- add new XSL/XML headers for proofing test docs
- Set up ways of adding meta-information for proofing correct corpus docs
Sjur
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- InDesign documentation
- continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (with Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- subcontractor work for sma proofing tools
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- contact MS Nordic, and ask them to include the Divvun tools in the next Office
- leaflet: add link to OOo installation and usage instructions
- leaflet: add InDesign text
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site)
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- leaflet meeting on Wednesday at 9.30 Norw. time (with Jovsset, Børre)
- fix bugs!
Thomas
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
-
sma adjectives
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs
- check leaflet once more
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- infrastructure remake
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- fix bugs!
Trond
- Register oahpa.no
- end user documentation (how to download and install) - dictionaries
- fix bugs!.