Meeting_2009-08-31
Contents:
- Meeting setup
- Agenda
- Opening, agenda review, participants
- Updated task status since last meeting
- Oahpa!
- Corpus gathering
- Promoting Divvun
- Future plans, directions and ideas
- Infrastructure
- Linguistics
- Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
- Proofing tools
- Other
- Next meeting, closing
- Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Meeting setup
- Date: 31.8.2009
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 09: 48.
Present:
Absent: Børre, Maja
Agenda accepted as is.
Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- update online download log statistics page
- fix screen sharing problem on Maja's computer
- improve XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Draw document
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC
-
gt/Makefile remake
- Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve.
- get translations of thank-you letter
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- Check for IP numbers in the Oahpa! log
- onging
- onging
- transform the Sami Law Terms DB (SLT-DB) into an eXist-usable format
- todo
- todo
- make eXist running with the SLT-DB
- todo
- todo
- make a schema/dtd description of the lexC-file (experiment with
- todo
- todo
- transform sme-lexC files into XML format
- todo
- todo
- Oahpa:
- finish the setup for the Bodø version locally
- as for sme-nom, done
- as for sme-nom, done
- todo for Bodø version:
- generalize for language pairs
- generalize for semantic classes and pos
- implement a login mechanism
- implement a upload data mechanism
- generalize for language pairs
- setup the Sandbox version on victorio
- todo
- todo
- setup the Bodø version on victorio
- waiting for the locally developed version
- waiting for the locally developed version
- add an Oahpa clock excercise
- todo
- todo
- finish the setup for the Bodø version locally
- restructure and clean the script catalogue, using subdirs
- ongoing
- ongoing
- check the processing of new corpus documents (error logging during conversion,
- todo
- todo
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- stopped (low priority)
- stopped (low priority)
- start the work at the komfineng dict
- ongoing
- ongoing
- incorporate the passives into the last version of the sme: nob
- todo
- todo
- continue the work at the Kildin-Russian dictionary
- stopped (low priority)
- stopped (low priority)
- check all bug in the sma: nob-swe dictionary
- todo
- todo
- extend the smanobswe dictionary
- todo
- todo
- fix the bug with the string length in the popup window (sma: nob)
- todo
- todo
- try to reduce the dict-size on mac: experiment with xPointer, etc.
- todo
- todo
-
fix bugs!
- todo
Maja
- run the gtsetup.sh script
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
- more work on sma adjectives
- Send Lena Kappfjell and Harald Gaski a contract
- need to get ove
- Send formal letter to Gerd Pärsson about the book Eahperestujmie
- digitize southsámi books
- work with missing lists- southsámi
Sjur
- make Leif Åge send out CD's to distribution points
- no news
- no news
- start Nordplus Sprog project
- no news
- no news
- send eXist log files to Ciprian
- no news
- no news
- finalise formal letter to Laila Mattsson-Magga with Maja
- nothing
- nothing
- Write a formal letter to Davvi girji about electronic dictionaries
- still nothing
- still nothing
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (with Tomi)
- nothing new
- nothing new
- make XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
- pause on this one
- pause on this one
- continue to write a proofing API & implementation specification
- no activity last week
- no activity last week
- name db/risten.no
- nothing
- nothing
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- not yet
- not yet
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- waiting for PL
- waiting for PL
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- is this still relevant?
- is this still relevant?
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site)
- not done
- not done
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe
- not done either
- not done either
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- still undone
- still undone
-
fix bugs!
- other things:
- went to Oslo to present the Barents project for UD, AID, KD with Trond
- more bureaucrazy work
- hard disk recovery/repair
- preparations for Snow Leopard
- went to Oslo to present the Barents project for UD, AID, KD with Trond
Thomas
- prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
- worked
- worked
-
sma adjectives
- worked
- worked
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs
- not done
- not done
-
fix bugs!
- nothing this week
Tomi
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (with Sjur)
- not done
- not done
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- not done
- not done
- fix double hyphen bugs
- not done
- not done
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- not done
- not done
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- ongoing
- ongoing
- infrastructure remake
- not done
- not done
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- not done
- not done
- fix bugs!
Trond
- make Lene et al run the gtsetup.sh script
- Lenes machine around the corner.
- Lenes machine around the corner.
- Mikogo for Lene and Linda
- Forgotten.
- Forgotten.
- tts startup (with Sjur)
- Some discussions, but no cake bought.
- Some discussions, but no cake bought.
-
sma proper noun grammar (with the rest of the sma gang)
- Sma yes, but not the proper nouns.
- Sma yes, but not the proper nouns.
- fix bugs!.
Oahpa!
Ciprian is still learning a lot.
Preparing for Bodø seminar:
- breaking up the smenob pairs to allow other language combinations
- other refinements for smentatic types and pos
Trond and Lene are writing a prequalification application for
Meeting memos can be found at
TODO
- Register oahpa.no (Trond)
- Check for IP numbers in the log (Ciprian, Trond)
- Add the 37 missing Finnish translations in sme/xml/nouns.xml (Trond, Tomi)
- Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa
Corpus gathering
TODO:
- Which books are digitized?
- These books should be OCR'ed/digitized: Anna Jacobsens books
- Its not digitized yet, should do it this week.
- use the corpus gathering document to keep track of each book
- These books should be OCR'ed/digitized: Anna Jacobsens books
- continue gathering sma corpus texts (Maja)
- get sma articles in Š-bláđđi
- Are these ok?
- the Gun Utsi book is almost there - one contract missing (Jovsset)
- will meet with the translator in July, and get the signature then
- will meet with the translator in July, and get the signature then
- get sma articles in Š-bláđđi
- read formal letter to Laila Mattsson-Magga by David (Sjur)
- write formal letter to Davvi Girji (Sjur)
- send a copy of the signed contracts back to the authors, translators and
Promoting Divvun
Question about the download log. Do we have it? yes, but the public listing
TODO:
- make leaflet to inform about the project (Børre)
- add InDesign text (Sjur)
- make XSL script to transform Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
- add InDesign text (Sjur)
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
- make him send out CD's accordingly (Sjur)
- make him send out CD's accordingly (Sjur)
- update online download log statistics page (Børre)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.
Northern areas project
Trond and Sjur went to Oslo last week to present the project for three ministeries.
TODO:
- Attend a beginners' course in Russian (priority: the alphabet!) near you..
- plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners (Trond, Sjur)
- plan for The Real Thing (Trond, Sjur)
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- permanent chat rooms
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
-
Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
- update/add missing parts
- differ between target groups
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- change the look of the documentation web
- use HFST as alternative to XFST
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target
TODO:
- ask Lene, Linda to install Mikogo (Trond)
- fix screen sharing problem on Maja's computer (Tomi)
- fix remaining issues in the gtsetup.sh script (Sjur)
- restructure and clean the script catalogue, using subdirs to categorise the
- see posting in the news group
- see posting in the news group
- infrastructure remake: ( Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- test iCal Server (on G5) (Børre)
- remove TOC from the giellatekno home page by using dispatcher (Trond)
- building gtuit with dispatcher doesn't work
Linguistics
We need a more fine-grained system for denoting morphological boundaries. Here's
- word boundary:
- (# makes .#. unusable in twolc)
- (# makes .#. unusable in twolc)
- inflection: <, >
- compound-like inflection: <#, #> (cf -gujmie) (lexc %<#, #%>)
- derivation: «, »
- compound-like derivation: «#, #» (cf -aktig, -skap in nob, swe, etc)
- clitica: ‹, › - muorak and muorage but only muorasge and not
- opaque compounds (bringebær): *#, #* - * on the side of the opaque part
The multichar sequences should be defined as Multichar_Symbols.
It might be possible to distinguish, but do we need them?
the suffix -goahti- behaves:
- morphologically like a compound
- semantically like a closed-class word (begin, often, still, ...)
- what is bringe#bær? A compound?
Motivation for the new border symbols:
- compound-like inflection and derivation should be hyphenated as compounds,
- we don't want to use the regular word boundary symbol for this purpose, since
- on the contrary, a richer set of border symbols can be used to enhance e.g. IR
- the regular affix boundaries have turned out to be useful in the making of
The guiding principle behind the symbols is that they provide more information
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
South Sámi
Adj->verb derivations is the next topic.
Maja had a meeting with Ove Lorentz about loan words in sma, and their
TODO:
- reformulate the proper noun grammar according to the Trondheim discussions
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM (Maja, Thomas)
- placenames (Maja)
- other issues
- placenames (Maja)
- finish the umlaut / derivation work (Thomas, Sjur, Tomi)
- adjectives (Maja with Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
- two competing naming conventions of continuation lexicons
- One naming goes ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE
- One follows the sme convention of naming key adjectives
- There are duplicate lexica
- One naming goes ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE
- The comparative issue open here and there
- The ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE lexica now go to EVENCOMP and
- The ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE lexica now go to EVENCOMP and
- two competing naming conventions of continuation lexicons
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
Tomi has played with couchdb as a replacement
Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms
From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:
- no major rework on the present search interface now
- no work on the editing section; instead:
- add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
- add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality
This means the following tasks:
- find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
- convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
- convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
- add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)
TODO:
- send eXist log files to Ciprian (Sjur)
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
Dictionaries
TODO:
- Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve.
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site) (Sjur)
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe (Sjur)
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- end user documentation (how to download and install) (Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- developing the mobile phone version of smenob:
- http: //pfed.info/wksite/
- http: //pfed.info/wksite/
- Komi
- take out the doublets to a separate file (Ciprian)
- merge the doublets (Jaska, Trond)
- start looking at the komfin and komeng MacDicts (Ciprian)
- Completing the automaton to some state (Trond, Jaska, Paula)
- take out the doublets to a separate file (Ciprian)
Proofing tools
HFST-based proofing tools
TODO:
- continue to write an API specification, and an implementation specification
Hunspell
Børre has released beta7, with working clitics, negation verb and copula.
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
- nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new ccat feature
Speller testing
TODO:
- test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (Sjur, Tomi)
- add South Sámi DLL's to the svn repository (Sjur)
Testing open-source Norwegian spellers
Sjur has invited the open-source group to test their spell-checker using our
We should go to their developer meetings, and present our work and how to work
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland:
- 621
- 630
- 652
- 656
- 676
Open issues based on test results:
sme
- 399 - missing numerals (plural forms) - OPEN
- 425 - X not recognized; single letters were left out - still OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA - still OPEN
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - FIXED
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 709 - REGRESSION: sámedikkeválga accepted
- 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
- 779 - caseforms of pronoun okatahat - OPEN
- 785 - does not recognize alphabet-abbr+noun
smj
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 482 - REGRESSION: polardutkamin not recognized
- 556 - REGRESSION: non-existent word accepted
- 594 - lågenanguoktáj not recognized - OPEN
- 595 - prefix+name as split comp without hyphen - FIXED
- 596 - C-giellan is not accepted - still OPEN
- 600 - REGRESSION: Gen+hyph compound
- 627 - REGRESSION: prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - FIXED
- 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
- 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but
TODO:
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
- 468 - Márkomeanu - still OPEN
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas - still OPEN
- 548 - mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen - still OPEN
- 549 - division without hyph: Váccedettiin - still OPEN
smj
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs -
- 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is
TODO:
- fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)
Installer changes
TODO:
- test InDesign installer (Sjur)
User documentation
TODO:
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
1.2 release
Content:
- several smj bug fixes
- lexicalisations
- InDesign Mac & Win
- new OOo beta
- improved installers, at least for Mac, preferably also for Windows
Other
Autumn planning
- divvun/sma -> all
- speller test project -> Sjur, Børre, Thomas, X
- speech synthesis -> Sjur, Trond, BA as a starter
- dictionaries: smanob, komfineng -> Ciprian, Sjur, Trond
- risten.no -> Ciprian, Sjur
- Barents project followup meeting
- Arctic conference - September 24-26 (Formal linguistics meets the north)
- Forskingstorget - September 18-19
- Francis Tyers in town appr. 24.9-1.10 (Lule Saami MT workshop week 39)
- sme and smj tools, next version -> Thomas, Tomi, Sjur
- HFST-based proofing tools -> Sjur
- sma langauge experts meeting, incl. Pia Persson & SGM/SGL
Text to speech
TODO:
- kick-off lunch at wednesday (Trond)
- refine syntax / dependency rules (Biret Ánne)
- start public tender process (Sjur)
MT and CAT
These are the next things forward. Two things to do before doing MT/CAT:
- Makefile redo
- xml transition of lexica
We should discuss with the SD, and before that we need a working Autshumato ITE.
TODO:
- make A-ITE compile and run on Windows (Ciprian)
Open source
The repository is properly closed/open now, and the availability of the source
TODO:
- announce the availability of our repository on relevant linguistic lists
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 7.9.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.
The meeting was closed at 11: 42.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- update online download log statistics page
- improve XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Draw document
- Implement new version of giellatekno front page without ToC
-
gt/Makefile remake
- Set up the apache server for the risten.no beta on the linux box + Xserve.
- get translations of thank-you letter
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- MT: test Autshumato Alpha version on Windows
- transform the Sami Law Terms DB (SLT-DB) into an eXist-usable format
- make eXist running with the SLT-DB
- make a schema/dtd description of the lexC-file (experiment with
- transform sme-lexC files into XML format
- Bodø Oahpa:
- generalize for language pairs
- generalize for semantic classes and pos
- implement a login mechanism
- implement a upload data mechanism
- setup the Bodø version on victorio
- generalize for language pairs
- Sandbox Oahpa:
- setup the Sandbox version on victorio
- setup the Sandbox version on victorio
- Running Oahpa:
- Check for IP numbers in the Oahpa! log
- add an Oahpa clock excercise
- Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa
- Check for IP numbers in the Oahpa! log
- Komi
- take out the doublets to a separate file
- start looking at the komfin and komeng MacDicts
- take out the doublets to a separate file
- restructure and clean the script catalogue, using subdirs
- check the processing of new corpus documents (error logging during conversion,
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- start the work at the komfineng dict
- incorporate the passives into the last version of the sme: nob
- continue the work at the Kildin-Russian dictionary
- check all bug in the sma: nob-swe dictionary
- extend the smanobswe dictionary
- fix the bug with the string length in the popup window (sma: nob)
- try to reduce the dict-size on mac: experiment with xPointer, etc.
- fix bugs!
Maja
- run the gtsetup.sh script
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
- more work on sma adjectives
- Send Lena Kappfjell and Harald Gaski a contract
- need to get ove
- Send formal letter to Gerd Pärsson about the book Eahperestujmie
- digitize southsámi books
- work with missing lists- southsámi
Sjur
- @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
- @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
- @TTS: start public tender process
- make Leif Åge send out CD's to distribution points
- start Nordplus Sprog project
- send eXist log files to Ciprian
- finalise formal letter to Laila Mattsson-Magga with Maja
- Write a formal letter to Davvi girji about electronic dictionaries
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (with Tomi)
- make XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
- continue to write a proofing API & implementation specification
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site)
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
-
sma adjectives
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- add missing Finnish translations in sme/xml/nouns.xml
- fix screen sharing problem on Maja's computer
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (with Sjur)
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- infrastructure remake
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- fix bugs!
Trond
- add missing Finnish translations in sme/xml/nouns.xml
- @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
- @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
- @TTS: kick-off lunch at wednesday
- make Lene et al run the gtsetup.sh script
- Mikogo for Lene and Linda
- tts startup (with Sjur)
- Komi
- merge the doublets
- Completing the automaton to some state
- merge the doublets
-
sma proper noun grammar (with the rest of the sma gang)
- fix bugs!.