Meeting_2009-09-21
Contents:
- Meeting setup
- Agenda
- Opening, agenda review, participants
- Updated task status since last meeting
- Oahpa!
- Corpus gathering
- Promoting Divvun
- Future plans, directions and ideas
- Infrastructure
- Linguistics
- Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
- Proofing tools
- Other
- Next meeting, closing
- Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Meeting setup
- Date: 21.9.2009
- Time: 09.30 Norw. time
- Place: Internet
- Tools: SubEthaEdit, iChat
Agenda
Cf. one of the following, depending on context:
- the upper bar of the SEE window (provided you use the JSPWiki syntax mode)
- the TOC in Forrest-rendered output, like HTML and PDF
Opening, agenda review, participants
Opened at 09: 45.
Present:
Absent: none
Agenda accepted with two additional issues, both under
.Updated task status since last meeting
Børre
- update online download log statistics page
- not done
- not done
- improve XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Draw document
- not done
- not done
-
gt/Makefile remake
- not done
- not done
- get translations of thank-you letter
- not done
- not done
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- MT: test Autshumato Alpha version on Windows using Launcher
- high priority
- finally, I can compile the code in NetBeans and I am trying to run it on mac
- finally, I can compile the code in NetBeans and I am trying to run it on mac
- high priority
- transform the Sami Law Terms DB (SLT-DB) into an eXist-usable format
- partly done
- partly done
- make eXist running with the SLT-DB
- todo
- todo
- make a schema/dtd description of the lexC-file (experiment with
- transform sme-lexC files into XML format
- this will be achieved soon with Komi (a must!)
- this will be achieved soon with Komi (a must!)
- Bodø Oahpa:
- generalize for semantic classes and pos
- implement a login mechanism
- implement a upload data mechanism
- setup the Bodø version on victorio
- todo
- todo
- generalize for semantic classes and pos
- Sandbox Oahpa:
- setup the Sandbox version on victorio
- todo
- todo
- setup the Sandbox version on victorio
- Running Oahpa:
- add an Oahpa clock and date excercise
- Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa
- todo
- todo
- add an Oahpa clock and date excercise
- Komi
- transform the source format into GT-dict format and generate the first
- done
- done
- test the automatic sorting by Komi alphabet in xsl (as discussed with Trond)
- todo
- todo
- ask Sjur why it is the drawback of splitting a dict into pos
- todo
- todo
- transform the source format into GT-dict format and generate the first
- restructure and clean the script catalogue, using subdirs
- todo
- todo
- check the processing of new corpus documents (error logging during conversion,
- todo
- todo
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- todo
- todo
- incorporate the passives into the last version of the sme: nob
- todo
- todo
- continue the work at the Kildin-Russian dictionary
- todo
- todo
- check all bug in the sma: nob-swe dictionary
- todo
- todo
- extend the smanobswe dictionary
- todo
- todo
- fix the bug with the string length in the popup window (sma: nob)
- todo
- todo
- try to reduce the dict-size on mac: experiment with xPointer, etc.
- todo
- todo
-
fix bugs!
- todo
Maja
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
- done, will have a meeting with Ove
- done, will have a meeting with Ove
- more work on sma adjectives
- done
- done
- Send Lena Kappfjell and Harald Gaski a contract
- to do
- to do
- Send Josef an e: mail - question about book signature from this summer
- done, Ristin Turi Alkesandersen has permission from 21.-25.sept. Need to call her next week.
- done, Ristin Turi Alkesandersen has permission from 21.-25.sept. Need to call her next week.
- Send formal letter to Gerd Pärsson about the book Eahperestujmie, + forward the contract about "Gosse dah jeatjebh åerieh" to Gerd Pärsson. David has the contract from the writer in Sweden and he would send it, when he came back to Norway - send David an e: mail about that.
- Will forward the contracts about "eahperestujmie" and "gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieh" to Gerd Pärsson. David has sent the contract from Christer Olofson last week.It will be here hopefully this week.Then forward both theese contracts to Gerd Pärsson.
- Will forward the contracts about "eahperestujmie" and "gåessie dah jeatjebh åerieh" to Gerd Pärsson. David has sent the contract from Christer Olofson last week.It will be here hopefully this week.Then forward both theese contracts to Gerd Pärsson.
- 9 årbøker "Åarjel-saemieh" -2-3 artikler written in southsámi- ask to use theese.
- Sent an e: mail to Saemien sïjte about theese books.
- Sent an e: mail to Saemien sïjte about theese books.
- digitize southsámi books
- work with missing lists- southsámi
- todo
Sjur
- @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
- @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
- @TTS: start public tender process
- make Leif Åge send out CD's to distribution points
- start Nordplus Sprog project
- send eXist log files to Ciprian
- finalise formal letter to Laila Mattsson-Magga with Maja
- Write a formal letter to Davvi girji about electronic dictionaries
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (with Tomi)
- make XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
- continue to write a proofing API & implementation specification
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site)
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi
-
fix bugs!
- other tasks:
- bureaucracy
- preparations for the next board meeting
- several Snow Leopard related updates and testing
- checked latest development on HFST
- tested a new text-format graphing language
, rendered by several applications,
- started looking at demo for CASTL conference
- bureaucracy
Thomas
- prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
- worked
- worked
-
sma adjectives
- worked
- worked
- Digitalize south saami books
- worked
- worked
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs
- not yet
- not yet
-
fix bugs!
- nothing this week
Tomi
- add missing Finnish translations in sme/xml/nouns.xml
- done (some missing, for which I don't know a translation)
- done (some missing, for which I don't know a translation)
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (with Sjur)
- not done
- not done
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- not done
- not done
- fix double hyphen bugs
- not done
- not done
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- not done
- not done
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- done
- done
- infrastructure remake
- not done
- not done
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- not done
- not done
-
fix bugs!
- other
- compiled new spellers
Trond
- add missing Finnish translations in sme/xml/nouns.xml
- @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
- Discussed with relevant persons, this issue must start
- Discussed with relevant persons, this issue must start
- @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
- @TTS: kick-off lunch
- make Lene et al run the gtsetup.sh script
- No excuse anymore now
- No excuse anymore now
- Mikogo for Lene and Linda
- Komi
- Completing the automaton to some state
- Worked much on Komi, got the compilation to some state. But now there
- Completing the automaton to some state
-
sma proper noun grammar (with the rest of the sma gang)
- fix bugs!.
Oahpa!
Meeting memos can be found at
TODO
- Register oahpa.no (Trond)
- Add the 37 missing Finnish translations in sme/xml/nouns.xml (Trond, Tomi)
- Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa
- clock and date for Numra (Trond, Ciprian)
Corpus gathering
TODO:
- Which books are digitized?
- These books should be OCR'ed/digitized: Anna Jacobsens books
- Its not digitized yet, should do it this week.
- use the corpus gathering document to keep track of each book
- These books should be OCR'ed/digitized: Anna Jacobsens books
- continue gathering sma corpus texts (Maja)
- get sma articles in Š-bláđđi
- the Gun Utsi book is almost there - one contract missing (Jovsset)
- will meet with the translator in July, and get the signature then
- check with Jovsset whether he succeeded (Maja)
- will meet with the translator in July, and get the signature then
- get sma articles in Š-bláđđi
- read formal letter to Laila Mattsson-Magga by David (Sjur)
- write formal letter to Davvi Girji (Sjur)
- send a copy of the signed contracts back to the authors, translators and
- find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi
- get the sma yearbooks from Saemien sïjhte ( Maja)
Promoting Divvun
TODO:
- make leaflet to inform about the project (Børre)
- add InDesign text (Sjur)
- make XSL script to transform Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
- add InDesign text (Sjur)
- distribute CD version through the library bus, the language centres and common
- make him send out CD's accordingly (Sjur)
- make him send out CD's accordingly (Sjur)
- update online download log statistics page (Børre)
Future plans, directions and ideas
See a separate document in plan/strat/5year.jspwiki.
Northern areas project
TODO:
- Attend a beginners' course in Russian (priority: the alphabet!) near you..
- plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners (Trond, Sjur)
- plan for The Real Thing (Trond, Sjur)
Infrastructure
To accomodate future enhancements in different directions (in rough order of
- test bench for all parts of our language technology efforts
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- test bench enhanced, but not yet complet
- set up the Leopard Server features for collaborative support:
- permanent chat rooms
- stored (and indexed) chat transcripts of the chat rooms
- iCal server / group calendars
- wiki
- permanent chat rooms
- wiki? on G5 (is part of Leopard Server) or other web-based documentation
- improve Forrest stability and i18n support ( the divvun crashes)
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
-
Børre has some ideas for getting back to serving static html files
-
Sjur has been working on better i18n and pdf rendering
- reorganise the documentation:
- differ between target groups
- get better grouping
- decide what to write in forrest and what in wiki
- update/add missing parts
- differ between target groups
- migrate lexc lexicons to XML, splitting the task
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- Dictionaries (already in XML, task is to integrate them)
- At least migrate the lexc open POSes (Komi as a pilot case)
- Name lexica (the Name project)
- change the look of the documentation web
- use HFST as alternative to XFST
- corpus content moved to Max Planck repositories? Norsk språkbank?
- update infrastructure to allow content-restricted spellers for special target
Snow Leopard: Sjur has installed it, here are some observations:
- "feels" faster (well, it is real, but no hard figures)
- several command line utilities are updated to recent (newest?) version
- 64-bit all around!
TODO:
- ask Lene, Linda to install Mikogo (Trond)
- restructure and clean the script catalogue, using subdirs to categorise the
- see posting in the news group
- see posting in the news group
- infrastructure remake: ( Børre, Ciprian, Saara, Sjur, Tomi, Trond)
- make a test-all target that runs all tests we have (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- define and document testing routines (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- delayed until we have restructured the make/build process
- test iCal Server (on G5) (Børre)
Linguistics
North Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
Lule Sámi
(nothing new, see proofing bugs below)
South Sámi
Maja had planned to meet Ove Lorentz last week, but there was no opportunity for that. Has sent him the draft paper about loan words.
TODO:
- reformulate the proper noun grammar according to the Trondheim discussions
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM (Maja, Thomas)
- placenames (Maja)
- other issues
- placenames (Maja)
- finish the umlaut / derivation work (Thomas, Sjur, Tomi)
- adjectives (Maja with Thomas, Trond, Sjur)
- two competing naming conventions of continuation lexicons
- One naming goes ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE
- One follows the sme convention of naming key adjectives
- There are duplicate lexica
- One naming goes ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE
- The comparative issue open here and there
- The ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE lexica now go to EVENCOMP and
- The ATTRSUFF-PREDSUFF-STEMTYPE lexica now go to EVENCOMP and
- two competing naming conventions of continuation lexicons
Name lexicon/risten.no infrastructure
Tomi has played with couchdb as a replacement
Instead of building our own webforms and back-end update scripts, use XForms
From the meeting with the terminology and IT teams last week:
- no major rework on the present search interface now
- no work on the editing section; instead:
- add existing lists of sanctioned terminology as separate term entities
- add a dictionary if we can make one with sufficient quality
This means the following tasks:
- find already approved lists, in paper or electronic form (term team)
- convert paper lists to electronic lists (term team)
- convert lists to standard XML (Sjur, Tomi)
- add prepared lists to risten.no (Sjur, Tomi)
TODO:
- send eXist log files to Ciprian (Sjur)
- fix i18n bug in risten.no/G5 (so they will work without the proper locale
- fix bugs in lexc2xml; add comments to the log element (Saara)
- finish first version of the editing (Sjur)
- test editing of the xml files. If ok, then: ( Sjur, Thomas, Trond)
- make terms-smX.xml <=== automatically from propernoun-sme-lex.xml (add nob
- convert propernoun-($lang)-lex.txt to a derived file from common xml files
- implement data synchronisation between risten.no and
- start to use the xml file as source file
- clean terms-sme.xml such that all names have the correct tag for their use
- merge placenames which are errouneously in different entries: e.g. Helsinki,
- publish the name lexicon on risten.no (Sjur)
- add missing parallel names for placenames (linguists)
- add informative links between first names like Niillas and Nils
Dictionaries
TODO:
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site) (Sjur)
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe (Sjur)
- Continue the dictionary infrastructure discussion (Ciprian, Sjur, Trond)
- end user documentation (how to download and install) (Ciprian, Trond)
- Contact Davvi Girji about cooperation on electronic dictionaries
- developing the mobile phone version of smenob:
- http: //pfed.info/wksite/
- http: //pfed.info/wksite/
- Komi
- take out the doublets to a separate file (Ciprian)
- merge the doublets (Jaska, Trond)
- start looking at the komfin and komeng MacDicts (Ciprian)
- Completing the automaton to some state (Trond, Jaska, Paula)
- take out the doublets to a separate file (Ciprian)
Proofing tools
HFST-based proofing tools
TODO:
- continue to write an API specification, and an implementation specification
Hunspell
Børre has released beta7, with working clitics, negation verb and copula.
Testing
Spelling Error Markup
TODO:
- test new and nested error markup (Sjur)
- nesting still needs to be tested, depends on new ccat feature
Speller testing
TODO:
- test the error type selection feature in ccat (Sjur)
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (Sjur, Tomi)
- add South Sámi DLL's to the svn repository (Sjur)
Testing open-source Norwegian spellers
Sjur has invited the open-source group to test their spell-checker using our
We should go to their developer meetings, and present our work and how to work
Speller bugs
List of bugs returned from Polderland:
- 621
- 630
- 652
- 656
- 676
Open issues based on test results:
sme
- 399 - missing numerals (plural forms) - OPEN
- 425 - X not recognised; single letters were left out - still OPEN
- 435 - roman numbers - inflection of single letter numbers
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- we should pregenerate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 595 - prefix+name without hyphen (ovdaLot instead of ovda-Lot) - still
- 603 - suomabealdi accepted - still OPEN
- 606 - compound-tags LEXICON VUOHTA - still OPEN
- 613 - short gen. as second compound part - still OPEN
- 619 - numerals and pronouns to NAMÁK and SASJ fails - vihttasoarttat
- 629 - a taking part in compounding without hyphen - still OPEN
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- only open case has word A-finálaid compounded
- 642 - noun/adj/proper + hyphen + ain - FIXED
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 709 - REGRESSION: sámedikkeválga accepted
- 728 - vowel shortening GenCmp+Left-tagged - still OPEN
- 779 - caseforms of pronoun okatahat - OPEN
- 785 - does not recognize alphabet-abbr+noun
smj
- 435 - roman number - single letter numbers now recognised
- we should pre-generate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- please note that inflection of single letter numerals is fine in
- we should pre-generate all numbers once and for all, and store them in a
- 482 - REGRESSION: polardutkamin not recognized
- 556 - REGRESSION: non-existent word accepted
- 594 - lågenanguoktáj not recognized - OPEN
- 595 - prefix+name as split comp without hyphen - FIXED
- 596 - C-giellan is not accepted - still OPEN
- 600 - REGRESSION: Gen+hyph compound
- 627 - REGRESSION: prefix + hyhpen does not get accepted
- 647 - numerals+NOUN - still OPEN, open case has uppercase letters
- 648 - unmotivated suggestions with numeral+noun - still OPEN
- 650 - noun prefix+name compound without hyphen - FIXED
- 652 - UPPERCASE-typos only get acronym-suggestions - still OPEN
- 692 - numeral-variants - all but one fixed (gáktsalågenantjuotakta), but
TODO:
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion (Tomi)
Hyphenator bugs
Open issues based on test results :
sme
- 468 - Márkomeanu - still OPEN
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Lotnolasealáhusas - still OPEN
- 548 - mid syllable hyphenation: Háliidivččen - still OPEN
- 549 - division without hyph: Váccedettiin - still OPEN
smj
- 547 - hyphen in front of vowel: Jienastimnjuolgadusá and Orgánajs -
- 670 - Hard hyphen replaced with soft hyphen: 10-biejvvásattja (the word is
TODO:
- fix PL hyphenator errors (Tomi)
Installer changes
TODO:
- test InDesign installer (Sjur)
User documentation
TODO:
- InDesign documentation (Sjur)
- Norwegian translation received from Davvi Girji
1.2 release
Content:
- several smj bug fixes
- lexicalisations
- InDesign Mac & Win
- new OOo beta
- improved installers, at least for Mac, preferably also for Windows
Other
New employee
Employed by Kvensk institutt, Verena Schall, but working with us ("us" in the
She will work mainly on the kven dictionary, but also a bit on a kven analyser,
This week's conference
Issues:
- Who shall talk?
- We should divide the talk
- Schedule a meeting later today
- The posters -- status quo and forward work
Autumn planning
- divvun/sma -> all
- Sjur in Tromsø 28.9-2.10 -> Divvun & MT week
- speller test project -> Sjur, Børre, Thomas, X
- speech synthesis -> Sjur, Trond, BA as a starter
- dictionaries: smanob, komfineng, fkvnob -> Ciprian, Sjur, Trond
- risten.no -> Ciprian, Sjur
- Barents project followup meeting
- Arctic conference - September 24-26 (Formal linguistics meets the north)
- Forskingstorget - September 18-19
- Francis Tyers in town appr. 24.9-1.10 (Lule Saami MT workshop week 39)
- sme and smj tools, next version -> Thomas, Tomi, Sjur
- HFST-based proofing tools -> Sjur
- sma langauge experts meeting, incl. Pia Persson & SGM/SGL
Text to speech
TODO:
- kick-off lunch at wednesday (Trond)
- refine syntax / dependency rules (Biret Ánne)
- start public tender process (Sjur)
MT and CAT
TODO:
- make A-ITE compile and run on Windows (Ciprian)
Open source
The repository is properly closed/open now, and the availability of the source
TODO:
- announce the availability of our repository on relevant linguistic lists
Next meeting, closing
The next meeting is 5.10.2009, 9.30 Norwegian time.
The meeting was closed at 10: 48.
Appendix - task lists for the next five days
Boerre
- update online download log statistics page
- static i18n divvun site
- test iCal Server (on G5)
- improve XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Draw document
-
gt/Makefile remake
- get translations of thank-you letter
- fix bugs!
Ciprian
- MT: test Autshumato Alpha version on Windows using Launcher
- MT: make Autshumato run on Mac
- transform the Sami Law Terms DB (SLT-DB) into an eXist-usable format
- make eXist running with the SLT-DB
- make a schema/dtd description of the lexC-file (experiment with
- transform sme-lexC files into XML format
- gt web:
- coloring output of the disambiguation
- add a tree visualizer for the dependency trees
- coloring output of the disambiguation
- Bodø Oahpa:
- generalize for semantic classes and pos
- implement a login mechanism
- implement a upload data mechanism
- setup the Bodø version on victorio
- generalize for semantic classes and pos
- Sandbox Oahpa:
- setup the Sandbox version on victorio
- setup the Sandbox version on victorio
- Running Oahpa:
- debug <only-pl/> and <no-leksa/> features (reported by Lene)
- add an Oahpa clock and date excercise
- Generate fin/xml/{nouns|verbs|adjectives}.xml, and implement the new Leksa
- debug <only-pl/> and <no-leksa/> features (reported by Lene)
- Komi
- compile only one version of dictionary and use css for user preferences
- generate the first StarDict version of komeng and komfin dictionary
- test the automatic sorting by Komi alphabet in xsl (as discussed with Trond)
- ask Sjur why it is the drawback of splitting a dict into pos
- compile only one version of dictionary and use css for user preferences
- restructure and clean the script catalogue, using subdirs
- check the processing of new corpus documents (error logging during conversion,
- continue the search and testing of an appropriate tool for
- incorporate the passives into the last version of the sme: nob
- continue the work at the Kildin-Russian dictionary
- check all bug in the sma: nob-swe dictionary
- extend the smanobswe dictionary
- fix the bug with the string length in the popup window (sma: nob)
- try to reduce the dict-size on mac: experiment with xPointer, etc.
- clock and date for Numra
- fix bugs!
Maja
- Prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
- more work on sma adjectives
- Send Lena Kappfjell and Harald Gaski a contract
- Send Josef an e: mail - question about book signature from this summer
- Send formal letter to Gerd Pärsson about the book Eahperestujmie
- forward the contract about "Gosse dah jeatjebh åerieh". David has the contract from the writer in Sweden and he would send it, when he came back to Norway - send David an e: mail about that.
- 9-10 årbøker "Åarjel-saemieh" -2-3 artikler written in southsámi- ask to use these.
- digitize south sámi books
- work with missing lists- southsámi
Sjur
- @Barents: plan a meeting/seminar with potential cooperation partners
- @Barents: plan for The Real Thing
- @TTS: start public tender process
- make Leif Åge send out CD's to distribution points
- start Nordplus Sprog project
- send eXist log files to Ciprian
- finalise formal letter to Laila Mattsson-Magga with Maja
- Write a formal letter to Davvi girji about electronic dictionaries
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (with Tomi)
- make XSL script to transform leaflet Forrest XDocs to an OOo Drawer document
- continue to write a proofing API & implementation specification
- name db/risten.no
- follow-up on some Polderland-related bugs: 621, 630, 652
- support and maintenance contract for sme and smj, MS+Adobe tools
- Sámi languages as part of Norsk språkbank
- set up risten.no on eXist/XServe (as a beta version site)
- set up required infra for smenob on risten.no/XServe
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- find and contact the correct person in SD, to get the manuscript for all Sámi
- fix bugs!
Thomas
- make poster for conference Arctic Languages
- prepare text´s about normativity issue to SGL/SGM
-
sma adjectives
- Digitalize south saami books
- finish reformulating the proper noun grammar like the verbs
- fix bugs!
Tomi
- add missing Finnish translations in sme/xml/nouns.xml
- package and deliver sma proofing tools (with Sjur)
- document how compounding is controlled in the PLX conversion
- fix double hyphen bugs
- fix PL hyphenator bugs
- fix PL and Hunspell conversion bugs
- infrastructure remake
-
sma umlaut / derivation work
- fix bugs!
Trond
- add missing Finnish translations in sme/xml/nouns.xml
- Mikogo for Lene and Linda
- Komi
- Completing the automaton to some state
- Completing the automaton to some state
-
sma proper noun grammar (with the rest of the sma gang)
- clock and date for Numra
- fix bugs!.