140804
Meeting, AKU Oahpa, 4.8.2014
Present: Heli, Jaska, Trond
Agenda
- Participants
- Language of instruction
- Budget
- Course goals
- Course planning day by day
- Documentation
- List of Languages
- Next meeting
Participants
- bxr
- Jargal Badagarov, Ulan Ude (rus, eng)
- Jargal Badagarov, Ulan Ude (rus, eng)
- izh
- Timo Rantakaulio? (fin, rus, eng)
- Timo Rantakaulio? (fin, rus, eng)
- kpv
- Paula Kokkonen?, StPb (fin, rus, eng) ?
- Galina Misharina?, Hki (fin, rus, )
- Enye Lav? (rus, fin, eng?)?
- Paula Kokkonen?, StPb (fin, rus, eng) ?
- mdf
- -
- -
- mhr
- Andrei Chemyshev?, Syktyvkar (rus, eng?)
- Andrei Chemyshev?, Syktyvkar (rus, eng?)
- mrj
- Julia Kuprina, Hki (rus, fin, eng?)
- Julia Kuprina, Hki (rus, fin, eng?)
- myv
- Ivan Ryabov, Saransk (rus, deu)
- Jelena Klementjeva, Saransk (rus)
- Ivan Ryabov, Saransk (rus, deu)
- olo
- Giloeva?, Jsuu (fin, rus)
- Giloeva?, Jsuu (fin, rus)
- yrk
- Lotta Jalava, Hki (fin, eng, rus)
- Lotta Jalava, Hki (fin, eng, rus)
- udm
- Svetlana Yedigarova, Hki (fin, rus)
- Nadi Muš, Tln (est, rus, fin)
- Svetlana Yedigarova, Hki (fin, rus)
- vep
- -
TODO:
- Check the ones on the list and fill in evt. empty slots (Jaska)
Language of instruction
- Preferably Russian
- Slides in Russian, talk in English at least in the beginning
Budget
Costs
- Travel (Jaska)
- Accommodation (Jaska)
- Salary, Heli (Tromsø)
Income
AKU, UiT, own financing?
TODO:
Course goals
During the week we will
- set up Oahpas for the participating languages at the following level
- Numra (Evaluate, a preliminary version is set up on beforehand)
- Leksa (Words, semantic sets !!)
- Morfa-S (Noun case-number and verb setup)
- Morfa-C (Make some frames, set them up and see them work)
- Numra (Evaluate, a preliminary version is set up on beforehand)
- plan for further work on the respective Oahpa versions
- plan how to integrate Oahpa in course curricula
Course planning day by day
Preparing before the course
- Setting up user accounts, basic SVN.
Day 0:
- Preliminary course in Unix, svn, etc, for people not having done this before.
- All participants shall have checked out (at least) the ped catalogue and
- basic SVN course. What is it, how to update, check in, etc.
Day 1:
Introduction
- Giellatekno overview (infrastructure, projects, tools, Oahpa) (Heli, Trond)
- Presentations by the participants about their languages and existing resources
Leksa
- Creating word lists in csv format.
- Checking in new files and updating the existing ones.
- svn ci -> Heli updates the db -> online check.
- How to choose the vocabulary for Leksa. Textbook word lists, frequency dictionaries.
Day 2:
- More Leksa
- Morfa-S
- Drafting the case/number and person/number/tense forms to be included (Individuals should have this all thought out before hand ... )
- Evaluating the fsts
- Setting up the infrastructure for the respective exercises
- Drafting the case/number and person/number/tense forms to be included (Individuals should have this all thought out before hand ... )
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Homework by Thursday:
- think about the productive Morfa-C frames in your language - which cases, which verbs?
Day 3:
Numra
- Evaluating existing Numras
- How to improve them:
- Learning how to correct automata
- Learning how to extend Numra to ordinal, date, clock.
- Learning how to correct automata
Leksa, Morfa-S
- Continuing work
Day 4:
- Setting up Morfa-S. Case list, possible additional menus.
- Writing Morfa-C frames.
- Extending Leksa: Place names. The names that are different in the indigenous language
Day 5:
- General discussion
- New ideas, thoughts that have come up while implementing Oahpa for your language.
- Discussing how to integrate Oahpa in language courses. Presenting kursa
- New ideas, thoughts that have come up while implementing Oahpa for your language.
- Summing up and future work
- How to proceed with the development of your Oahpa.
TODO:
- Work with the content of the program (orgkom)
Documentation
PRELIMINARY READING etc. (tasks for participants)
- Links on the Giellatekno pages
- Look at an existing Oahpa, for Kildin Saami:
- Look for and take along some learning materials (textbooks, workbooks, dictionaries). Best if they (also) exist in electronic format but paper format is also ok.
- Think about the issues that need special pedagogical focus in your language, e.g. using some case(s).
- Look at some Oahpa instances online (North Saami Oahpa, testing.oahpa.no/rusoahpa, testing.oahpa.no/fkv_oahpa, testing.oahpa.no/crk_oahpa), get inspiration and think about the analogies/differences with your language. (?)
The Oahpa pages for developers
... are today in English. In Russian as well?
TODO:
- Set up dummy files (Trond)
- Machine translate + correct translation (barnraising project:all)
- Integrate result in existing pages (links from above) Trond, Heli
Documentation pages for each Oahpa version
Set up dummy pages (Trond)
List of languages involved:
Languages with Oahpa setup
- bxr - no setup
- izh - testing.oahpa.no/izh_oahpa
- kpv - oahpa.no/kpvoahpa
- mdf - testing.oahpa.no/mdf_oahpa
- mhr - testing.oahpa.no/mhr_oahpa
- mrj - testing.oahpa.no/mrj_oahpa
- myv - oahpa.no/erzya
- olo - testing.oahpa.no/olo_oahpa
- udm - testing.oahpa.no/udm_oahpa
- vep - testing.oahpa.no/vep_oahpa
- yrk - oahpa.no/yrkoahpa
TODO:
Set up bxr_oahpa (Heli)
Languages with transcriptors for Numra
- bxr - no
- izh - no
- kpv - yes
- mdf - yes
- mhr - yes
- mrj - yes
- myv - yes
- olo - yes
- udm - no (numbers, clock Jaska)
- vep - no
- yrk - yes
TODO:
Make at least ordinals for the missing ones (Jaska, Trond)
Status for automata for the different languages
Grades:
- A = comprehensive (speller quality)
- B = Good (can be basis for text analysis, albeit with errors)
- C = Basic vocabulary (expected to generate most Morfa-S words)
- D = Parts of the vocabulary (Generates only part of what Morfa-S wants)
Status:
- bxr - D
- izh - C
- kpv - B
- mdf - B
- mhr - B
- mrj - B
- myv - B
- olo - C
- udm - B
- vep - D
- yrk - C
Place names for leksa
- bxr -
- izh -
- kpv -
- mdf -
- mhr -
- mrj -
- myv -
- olo -
- udm -
- vep -
- yrk -
Languages for which there are concrete plans for Oahpa work
- bxr -
- izh -
- kpv -
- mdf -
- mhr -
- mrj - yes (Kuprina Course)
- myv - yes (Jerina course)
- olo - yes (Giloeva course book)
- udm -
- vep -
- yrk -
Next meeting
Aug 15th 0900 Swedish time.